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It's very frustrating to discuss this topic with you because you keep editing your comments after I've replied to them. This makes it appear as though I've igno

by chroma 7y ago

It's very frustrating to discuss this topic with you because you keep editing your comments after I've replied to them. This makes it appear as though I've ignored points you made, when in fact they simply weren't in the version of the comment that I read. Of all the links you added, most are criminals shooting each other or cops shooting criminals. Neither of those are likely to affect me, as I don't rob places or brandish firearms. Also, you had to go back 5 years to find some of those results. In that same time BART had thousands of thefts, around a thousand robberies, hundreds of violent assaults, and around a half dozen homicides. Considering how much lower the ridership of BART is compared to all commuters in the bay area, those aren't great odds. Again, this is obvious to anyone who rides BART and isn't a fit male. If you're old, or a woman, or just a small/weak guy, people on BART will fuck with you. The problem has gotten much worse in the past few years.[1] It's caused ridership and approval ratings to decrease.[2] 1. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-BART-doubles-in-four-years-14039170.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-B... 2. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-rating-plummets-as-riders-13550578.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-...

inferiorhuman 7y ago
Also, you had to go back 5 years to find some of those results. Last I checked this is 2019 which means I went back 1 year to 2018 and barely scratched the surface. In fact that one wreck with the taxi happened this week. Everyone died. In that same time BART had thousands of thefts, around a thousand robberies, hundreds of violent assaults, and around a half dozen homicides. And how many fender benders, DUIs, random Tesla mishaps, overturned big rigs, etc. have there been in that time? How many pedestrians have been injured or killed? How many cars have been broken into or vandalized (I know property crime isn't much of an issue in San Francisco)? Considering how much lower the ridership of BART is compared to all commuters in the bay area, those aren't great odds. BART is the second most used transit system behind Muni. Somewhere around 500,000 daily riders versus 750,000 for Muni. That's not a particularly small proportion of commuters. Meanwhile the Bay Area has just about the worst traffic in the nation, and somehow you want me to believe that being stuck in traffic isn't stressful? Okay then. https://abc7news.com/traffic/bay-area-leads-nation-in-commuters-traveling-3-hours-study-says/5195381/ https://abc7news.com/traffic/bay-area-leads-nation-in-commut... https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/08/22/bay-area-commuters-100-hours-in-traffic-19-urban-mobility-report-tamu/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/08/22/bay-area-commut... Edit: Oh gosh I forgot about this https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/24/daly-city-police-searching-for-carjacking-suspect/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/24/daly-city-police-sear... Or if you want to go all the way back to 2017 (5 carjackings in 2 days): https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/5-carjackings-2-days-san-francisco-crime-spree https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/5-carjackings-2-d... And this one: https://sfist.com/2019/09/19/carjacking-suspect-caught-richmond/ https://sfist.com/2019/09/19/carjacking-suspect-caught-richm... But if YOU'VE never encountered this it must not happen, right?
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inferiorhuman 7y ago
So how many people were killed on BART today? https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/One-Dead-Two-Hurt-In-Vehicle-Collision-Near-14496918.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/One-Dead-Two-Hur... https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/All-Sb-Lanes-Of-101-Closed-After-Rollover-Accident-14497041.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/All-Sb-Lanes-Of-... And, yes, BART serves both San Francisco and Millbrae.
- chroma 7y ago
  I already mentioned it, but there is the concept of relative risk. There is also the concept of reference classes. Because of the way I drive and the vehicle I use, I am much less likely to die than the average bay area driver. Also, the number of people who take BART each day is much lower than the number of people who drive each day. There are so many better counterarguments you could have put forward. Please consider that you may be mistaken. I certainly have done so. I wish that public transportation were superior, but I've discovered (and experienced) that it's not the case… at least not in the bay area.

by chroma 7y ago

inferiorhuman 7y ago

Also, you had to go back 5 years to find some of those results. Last I checked this is 2019 which means I went back 1 year to 2018 and barely scratched the surface. In fact that one wreck with the taxi happened this week. Everyone died. In that same time BART had thousands of thefts, around a thousand robberies, hundreds of violent assaults, and around a half dozen homicides. And how many fender benders, DUIs, random Tesla mishaps, overturned big rigs, etc. have there been in that time? How many pedestrians have been injured or killed? How many cars have been broken into or vandalized (I know property crime isn't much of an issue in San Francisco)? Considering how much lower the ridership of BART is compared to all commuters in the bay area, those aren't great odds. BART is the second most used transit system behind Muni. Somewhere around 500,000 daily riders versus 750,000 for Muni. That's not a particularly small proportion of commuters. Meanwhile the Bay Area has just about the worst traffic in the nation, and somehow you want me to believe that being stuck in traffic isn't stressful? Okay then. https://abc7news.com/traffic/bay-area-leads-nation-in-commuters-traveling-3-hours-study-says/5195381/ https://abc7news.com/traffic/bay-area-leads-nation-in-commut... https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/08/22/bay-area-commuters-100-hours-in-traffic-19-urban-mobility-report-tamu/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/08/22/bay-area-commut... Edit: Oh gosh I forgot about this https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/24/daly-city-police-searching-for-carjacking-suspect/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/24/daly-city-police-sear... Or if you want to go all the way back to 2017 (5 carjackings in 2 days): https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/5-carjackings-2-days-san-francisco-crime-spree https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/5-carjackings-2-d... And this one: https://sfist.com/2019/09/19/carjacking-suspect-caught-richmond/ https://sfist.com/2019/09/19/carjacking-suspect-caught-richm... But if YOU'VE never encountered this it must not happen, right?

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inferiorhuman 7y ago

So how many people were killed on BART today? https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/One-Dead-Two-Hurt-In-Vehicle-Collision-Near-14496918.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/One-Dead-Two-Hur... https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/All-Sb-Lanes-Of-101-Closed-After-Rollover-Accident-14497041.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/All-Sb-Lanes-Of-... And, yes, BART serves both San Francisco and Millbrae.

chroma 7y ago
I already mentioned it, but there is the concept of relative risk. There is also the concept of reference classes. Because of the way I drive and the vehicle I use, I am much less likely to die than the average bay area driver. Also, the number of people who take BART each day is much lower than the number of people who drive each day. There are so many better counterarguments you could have put forward. Please consider that you may be mistaken. I certainly have done so. I wish that public transportation were superior, but I've discovered (and experienced) that it's not the case… at least not in the bay area.