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None of which are things I've encountered while driving. I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while dri

by chroma 7y ago

None of which are things I've encountered while driving. I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. There's a reason all of the women at my workplace drive instead of taking bart. They've tried bart and found it incredibly unsafe. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart.

inferiorhuman 7y ago
I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. Then run the numbers instead of wildly waving your hands. If you'd like anecdotes I've never been robbed at gunpoint on BART, nor have I ever had anyone threaten to stab me on BART. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. And air pollution, risk of a crash or injury, cost of ownership, parking, pedestrian deaths and injuries, etc., etc. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart. If you check a map I think you'll find that BART serves San Francisco, Oakland, and Fremont.
- fiter 7y ago
  Is it uncommon to be threatened on BART? I thought that was just normal.
  - inferiorhuman 7y ago
    Maybe you're just a bigger asshole than I am? vOv
    - fiter 7y ago
      Haha, alright. Hopefully you can make your case to someone else.
      - inferiorhuman 7y ago
        Sorry, did you want a serious reply? You should probably try a less snarky opening then.
- chroma 7y ago
  It's very frustrating to discuss this topic with you because you keep editing your comments after I've replied to them. This makes it appear as though I've ignored points you made, when in fact they simply weren't in the version of the comment that I read. Of all the links you added, most are criminals shooting each other or cops shooting criminals. Neither of those are likely to affect me, as I don't rob places or brandish firearms. Also, you had to go back 5 years to find some of those results. In that same time BART had thousands of thefts, around a thousand robberies, hundreds of violent assaults, and around a half dozen homicides. Considering how much lower the ridership of BART is compared to all commuters in the bay area, those aren't great odds. Again, this is obvious to anyone who rides BART and isn't a fit male. If you're old, or a woman, or just a small/weak guy, people on BART will fuck with you. The problem has gotten much worse in the past few years.[1] It's caused ridership and approval ratings to decrease.[2] 1. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-BART-doubles-in-four-years-14039170.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-B... 2. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-rating-plummets-as-riders-13550578.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-...
  - inferiorhuman 7y ago
    Also, you had to go back 5 years to find some of those results. Last I checked this is 2019 which means I went back 1 year to 2018 and barely scratched the surface. In fact that one wreck with the taxi happened this week. Everyone died. In that same time BART had thousands of thefts, around a thousand robberies, hundreds of violent assaults, and around a half dozen homicides. And how many fender benders, DUIs, random Tesla mishaps, overturned big rigs, etc. have there been in that time? How many pedestrians have been injured or killed? How many cars have been broken into or vandalized (I know property crime isn't much of an issue in San Francisco)? Considering how much lower the ridership of BART is compared to all commuters in the bay area, those aren't great odds. BART is the second most used transit system behind Muni. Somewhere around 500,000 daily riders versus 750,000 for Muni. That's not a particularly small proportion of commuters. Meanwhile the Bay Area has just about the worst traffic in the nation, and somehow you want me to believe that being stuck in traffic isn't stressful? Okay then. https://abc7news.com/traffic/bay-area-leads-nation-in-commuters-traveling-3-hours-study-says/5195381/ https://abc7news.com/traffic/bay-area-leads-nation-in-commut... https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/08/22/bay-area-commuters-100-hours-in-traffic-19-urban-mobility-report-tamu/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/08/22/bay-area-commut... Edit: Oh gosh I forgot about this https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/24/daly-city-police-searching-for-carjacking-suspect/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/24/daly-city-police-sear... Or if you want to go all the way back to 2017 (5 carjackings in 2 days): https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/5-carjackings-2-days-san-francisco-crime-spree https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/5-carjackings-2-d... And this one: https://sfist.com/2019/09/19/carjacking-suspect-caught-richmond/ https://sfist.com/2019/09/19/carjacking-suspect-caught-richm... But if YOU'VE never encountered this it must not happen, right?
fiter 7y ago
There are people I know who will not take BART alone. I agree that the perceived safety definitely effects ridership. I can't believe this is not taken more seriously by those who wish to encourage more people to take transit! After all, subways are normally considered better than buses which really is what could be implemented more easily!

by chroma 7y ago

inferiorhuman 7y ago

I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. Then run the numbers instead of wildly waving your hands. If you'd like anecdotes I've never been robbed at gunpoint on BART, nor have I ever had anyone threaten to stab me on BART. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. And air pollution, risk of a crash or injury, cost of ownership, parking, pedestrian deaths and injuries, etc., etc. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart. If you check a map I think you'll find that BART serves San Francisco, Oakland, and Fremont.

fiter 7y ago
Is it uncommon to be threatened on BART? I thought that was just normal.
- inferiorhuman 7y ago
  Maybe you're just a bigger asshole than I am? vOv
  - fiter 7y ago
    Haha, alright. Hopefully you can make your case to someone else.
    - inferiorhuman 7y ago
      Sorry, did you want a serious reply? You should probably try a less snarky opening then.
chroma 7y ago
It's very frustrating to discuss this topic with you because you keep editing your comments after I've replied to them. This makes it appear as though I've ignored points you made, when in fact they simply weren't in the version of the comment that I read. Of all the links you added, most are criminals shooting each other or cops shooting criminals. Neither of those are likely to affect me, as I don't rob places or brandish firearms. Also, you had to go back 5 years to find some of those results. In that same time BART had thousands of thefts, around a thousand robberies, hundreds of violent assaults, and around a half dozen homicides. Considering how much lower the ridership of BART is compared to all commuters in the bay area, those aren't great odds. Again, this is obvious to anyone who rides BART and isn't a fit male. If you're old, or a woman, or just a small/weak guy, people on BART will fuck with you. The problem has gotten much worse in the past few years.[1] It's caused ridership and approval ratings to decrease.[2] 1. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-BART-doubles-in-four-years-14039170.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-B... 2. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-rating-plummets-as-riders-13550578.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-...
- inferiorhuman 7y ago
  Also, you had to go back 5 years to find some of those results. Last I checked this is 2019 which means I went back 1 year to 2018 and barely scratched the surface. In fact that one wreck with the taxi happened this week. Everyone died. In that same time BART had thousands of thefts, around a thousand robberies, hundreds of violent assaults, and around a half dozen homicides. And how many fender benders, DUIs, random Tesla mishaps, overturned big rigs, etc. have there been in that time? How many pedestrians have been injured or killed? How many cars have been broken into or vandalized (I know property crime isn't much of an issue in San Francisco)? Considering how much lower the ridership of BART is compared to all commuters in the bay area, those aren't great odds. BART is the second most used transit system behind Muni. Somewhere around 500,000 daily riders versus 750,000 for Muni. That's not a particularly small proportion of commuters. Meanwhile the Bay Area has just about the worst traffic in the nation, and somehow you want me to believe that being stuck in traffic isn't stressful? Okay then. https://abc7news.com/traffic/bay-area-leads-nation-in-commuters-traveling-3-hours-study-says/5195381/ https://abc7news.com/traffic/bay-area-leads-nation-in-commut... https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/08/22/bay-area-commuters-100-hours-in-traffic-19-urban-mobility-report-tamu/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/08/22/bay-area-commut... Edit: Oh gosh I forgot about this https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/24/daly-city-police-searching-for-carjacking-suspect/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/24/daly-city-police-sear... Or if you want to go all the way back to 2017 (5 carjackings in 2 days): https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/5-carjackings-2-days-san-francisco-crime-spree https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/5-carjackings-2-d... And this one: https://sfist.com/2019/09/19/carjacking-suspect-caught-richmond/ https://sfist.com/2019/09/19/carjacking-suspect-caught-richm... But if YOU'VE never encountered this it must not happen, right?

fiter 7y ago

There are people I know who will not take BART alone. I agree that the perceived safety definitely effects ridership. I can't believe this is not taken more seriously by those who wish to encourage more people to take transit! After all, subways are normally considered better than buses which really is what could be implemented more easily!