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Taking public transportation in the bay area is incredibly stressful. Counterpoint: all of the shootings up and down the I-80 corridor, wrong way drivers, sid

Taking public transportation in the bay area is incredibly stressful. Counterpoint: all of the shootings up and down the I-80 corridor, wrong way drivers, sideshows, and road rage. https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Update-4-Killed-In-Wrong-Way-Hwy-101-Collision-14491067.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Update-4-Killed-... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/06/25/traffic-stop-in-richmond-turns-into-chase-shooting-suspect-arrested/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/06/25/traffic-stop-in-rich... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/05/05/chp-seeks-weekend-i-80-injury-shooting-suspect/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/05/05/chp-seeks-weekend-i-... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/09/14/shooting-in-vallejo-shuts-down-east-i-80/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/09/14/shooting-in-vallejo-... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/07/10/video-police-release-body-cam-footage-in-fatal-i-80-officer-involved-shooting/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/07/10/video-police-release... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/08/27/fremont-police-investigate-report-of-gunfire-between-vehicles/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/08/27/fremont-police-inves... https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Shooting-on-I-880-in-Oakland-Shuts-Down-Freeway-513067391.html https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Shooting-on-I-880-in-O... https://patch.com/california/sanleandro/shooting-i-880-chp-seeks-witnesses https://patch.com/california/sanleandro/shooting-i-880-chp-s... https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bay-Area-Police-Crack-Down-on-Sideshows-559021241.html https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bay-Area-Police-Crack-... https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/06/03/oakland-weekend-sideshows-police-crackdown/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/06/03/oakland-weekend... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/05/09/mother-of-four-killed-in-road-rage-confrontation-for-no-reason-prosecutor-says/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/05/09/mother-of-four-kille...

chroma 7y ago
None of which are things I've encountered while driving. I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. There's a reason all of the women at my workplace drive instead of taking bart. They've tried bart and found it incredibly unsafe. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart.
- inferiorhuman 7y ago
  I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. Then run the numbers instead of wildly waving your hands. If you'd like anecdotes I've never been robbed at gunpoint on BART, nor have I ever had anyone threaten to stab me on BART. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. And air pollution, risk of a crash or injury, cost of ownership, parking, pedestrian deaths and injuries, etc., etc. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart. If you check a map I think you'll find that BART serves San Francisco, Oakland, and Fremont.
  - fiter 7y ago
    Is it uncommon to be threatened on BART? I thought that was just normal.
    - inferiorhuman 7y ago
      Maybe you're just a bigger asshole than I am? vOv
      - fiter 7y ago
        Haha, alright. Hopefully you can make your case to someone else.
        inferiorhuman 7y ago
        Sorry, did you want a serious reply? You should probably try a less snarky opening then.
  - chroma 7y ago
    It's very frustrating to discuss this topic with you because you keep editing your comments after I've replied to them. This makes it appear as though I've ignored points you made, when in fact they simply weren't in the version of the comment that I read. Of all the links you added, most are criminals shooting each other or cops shooting criminals. Neither of those are likely to affect me, as I don't rob places or brandish firearms. Also, you had to go back 5 years to find some of those results. In that same time BART had thousands of thefts, around a thousand robberies, hundreds of violent assaults, and around a half dozen homicides. Considering how much lower the ridership of BART is compared to all commuters in the bay area, those aren't great odds. Again, this is obvious to anyone who rides BART and isn't a fit male. If you're old, or a woman, or just a small/weak guy, people on BART will fuck with you. The problem has gotten much worse in the past few years.[1] It's caused ridership and approval ratings to decrease.[2] 1. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-BART-doubles-in-four-years-14039170.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-B... 2. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-rating-plummets-as-riders-13550578.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-...

chroma 7y ago

None of which are things I've encountered while driving. I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. There's a reason all of the women at my workplace drive instead of taking bart. They've tried bart and found it incredibly unsafe. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart.

inferiorhuman 7y ago
I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. Then run the numbers instead of wildly waving your hands. If you'd like anecdotes I've never been robbed at gunpoint on BART, nor have I ever had anyone threaten to stab me on BART. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. And air pollution, risk of a crash or injury, cost of ownership, parking, pedestrian deaths and injuries, etc., etc. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart. If you check a map I think you'll find that BART serves San Francisco, Oakland, and Fremont.
- fiter 7y ago
  Is it uncommon to be threatened on BART? I thought that was just normal.
  - inferiorhuman 7y ago
    Maybe you're just a bigger asshole than I am? vOv
    - fiter 7y ago
      Haha, alright. Hopefully you can make your case to someone else.
      - inferiorhuman 7y ago
        Sorry, did you want a serious reply? You should probably try a less snarky opening then.
- chroma 7y ago
  It's very frustrating to discuss this topic with you because you keep editing your comments after I've replied to them. This makes it appear as though I've ignored points you made, when in fact they simply weren't in the version of the comment that I read. Of all the links you added, most are criminals shooting each other or cops shooting criminals. Neither of those are likely to affect me, as I don't rob places or brandish firearms. Also, you had to go back 5 years to find some of those results. In that same time BART had thousands of thefts, around a thousand robberies, hundreds of violent assaults, and around a half dozen homicides. Considering how much lower the ridership of BART is compared to all commuters in the bay area, those aren't great odds. Again, this is obvious to anyone who rides BART and isn't a fit male. If you're old, or a woman, or just a small/weak guy, people on BART will fuck with you. The problem has gotten much worse in the past few years.[1] It's caused ridership and approval ratings to decrease.[2] 1. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-BART-doubles-in-four-years-14039170.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Violent-crime-on-B... 2. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-rating-plummets-as-riders-13550578.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/BART-s-approval-...