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Taking public transportation in the bay area is incredibly stressful. I've had people try to fight me. I've had people threaten to stab me. I've had people smok

by chroma 7y ago

Taking public transportation in the bay area is incredibly stressful. I've had people try to fight me. I've had people threaten to stab me. I've had people smoke meth on the same car as me. Hell, last year one of my friends was robbed at gunpoint on bart. If these services were run by a private company, they would be shut down for safety violations. I much prefer cars because it means I don't have to worry about vagrants, crazy people, and generally annoying assholes (such as those who play their music out of speakers instead of using headphones).

inferiorhuman 7y ago
Taking public transportation in the bay area is incredibly stressful. Counterpoint: all of the shootings up and down the I-80 corridor, wrong way drivers, sideshows, and road rage. https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Update-4-Killed-In-Wrong-Way-Hwy-101-Collision-14491067.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Update-4-Killed-... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/06/25/traffic-stop-in-richmond-turns-into-chase-shooting-suspect-arrested/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/06/25/traffic-stop-in-rich... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/05/05/chp-seeks-weekend-i-80-injury-shooting-suspect/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/05/05/chp-seeks-weekend-i-... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/09/14/shooting-in-vallejo-shuts-down-east-i-80/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/09/14/shooting-in-vallejo-... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/07/10/video-police-release-body-cam-footage-in-fatal-i-80-officer-involved-shooting/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/07/10/video-police-release... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/08/27/fremont-police-investigate-report-of-gunfire-between-vehicles/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/08/27/fremont-police-inves... https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Shooting-on-I-880-in-Oakland-Shuts-Down-Freeway-513067391.html https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Shooting-on-I-880-in-O... https://patch.com/california/sanleandro/shooting-i-880-chp-seeks-witnesses https://patch.com/california/sanleandro/shooting-i-880-chp-s... https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bay-Area-Police-Crack-Down-on-Sideshows-559021241.html https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bay-Area-Police-Crack-... https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/06/03/oakland-weekend-sideshows-police-crackdown/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/06/03/oakland-weekend... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/05/09/mother-of-four-killed-in-road-rage-confrontation-for-no-reason-prosecutor-says/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/05/09/mother-of-four-kille...
- chroma 7y ago
  None of which are things I've encountered while driving. I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. There's a reason all of the women at my workplace drive instead of taking bart. They've tried bart and found it incredibly unsafe. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart.
  - inferiorhuman 7y ago
    I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. Then run the numbers instead of wildly waving your hands. If you'd like anecdotes I've never been robbed at gunpoint on BART, nor have I ever had anyone threaten to stab me on BART. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. And air pollution, risk of a crash or injury, cost of ownership, parking, pedestrian deaths and injuries, etc., etc. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart. If you check a map I think you'll find that BART serves San Francisco, Oakland, and Fremont.
    - fiter 7y ago
      Is it uncommon to be threatened on BART? I thought that was just normal.
      - inferiorhuman 7y ago
        Maybe you're just a bigger asshole than I am? vOv
        fiter 7y ago
        Haha, alright. Hopefully you can make your case to someone else.
megablast 7y ago
40,000 people die every year in the USA, but you had some people try to fight you? Over 2 million are injured of disabled by cars, but you had someone threaten you? A million people every year are killed by car pollution, buy you had someone smoke meth on the same bus? You issues, while valid, just seem a lot smaller than the problems with cars.
Swizec 7y ago
As a counterpoint: I choose to live within walking distance of where I need to be every day. Or an electric rideable or bicycle of some sort. I did buy a motorcycle recently which does improve on some of that, but most of the improvement has been eaten up by the extra time it takes to gear up and park. Commuting is probably the single worst thing you can do to your quality of life. PS: yes I know this is a position of privilege. We’re on hacker news and I believe most of us share similar privileges
- chroma 7y ago
  I wish I could afford to live close to work, but being in the vicinity of Salesforce Tower is pretty goddamn expensive.

by chroma 7y ago

inferiorhuman 7y ago

Taking public transportation in the bay area is incredibly stressful. Counterpoint: all of the shootings up and down the I-80 corridor, wrong way drivers, sideshows, and road rage. https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Update-4-Killed-In-Wrong-Way-Hwy-101-Collision-14491067.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Update-4-Killed-... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/06/25/traffic-stop-in-richmond-turns-into-chase-shooting-suspect-arrested/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/06/25/traffic-stop-in-rich... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/05/05/chp-seeks-weekend-i-80-injury-shooting-suspect/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/05/05/chp-seeks-weekend-i-... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/09/14/shooting-in-vallejo-shuts-down-east-i-80/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/09/14/shooting-in-vallejo-... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/07/10/video-police-release-body-cam-footage-in-fatal-i-80-officer-involved-shooting/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/07/10/video-police-release... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/08/27/fremont-police-investigate-report-of-gunfire-between-vehicles/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/08/27/fremont-police-inves... https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Shooting-on-I-880-in-Oakland-Shuts-Down-Freeway-513067391.html https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Shooting-on-I-880-in-O... https://patch.com/california/sanleandro/shooting-i-880-chp-seeks-witnesses https://patch.com/california/sanleandro/shooting-i-880-chp-s... https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bay-Area-Police-Crack-Down-on-Sideshows-559021241.html https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bay-Area-Police-Crack-... https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/06/03/oakland-weekend-sideshows-police-crackdown/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/06/03/oakland-weekend... https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/05/09/mother-of-four-killed-in-road-rage-confrontation-for-no-reason-prosecutor-says/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/05/09/mother-of-four-kille...

chroma 7y ago
None of which are things I've encountered while driving. I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. There's a reason all of the women at my workplace drive instead of taking bart. They've tried bart and found it incredibly unsafe. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart.
- inferiorhuman 7y ago
  I bet if you ran the stats, you would be far more likely to be a victim of crime on bart than while driving in the bay area. Then run the numbers instead of wildly waving your hands. If you'd like anecdotes I've never been robbed at gunpoint on BART, nor have I ever had anyone threaten to stab me on BART. The only disadvantages of driving are traffic and parking. And air pollution, risk of a crash or injury, cost of ownership, parking, pedestrian deaths and injuries, etc., etc. Edit: You've edited your comment to add links, and they're all discussing crimes in east bay. I don't think most of the articles you linked to happened in places served by bart. If you check a map I think you'll find that BART serves San Francisco, Oakland, and Fremont.
  - fiter 7y ago
    Is it uncommon to be threatened on BART? I thought that was just normal.
    - inferiorhuman 7y ago
      Maybe you're just a bigger asshole than I am? vOv
      - fiter 7y ago
        Haha, alright. Hopefully you can make your case to someone else.

megablast 7y ago

40,000 people die every year in the USA, but you had some people try to fight you? Over 2 million are injured of disabled by cars, but you had someone threaten you? A million people every year are killed by car pollution, buy you had someone smoke meth on the same bus? You issues, while valid, just seem a lot smaller than the problems with cars.

Swizec 7y ago

As a counterpoint: I choose to live within walking distance of where I need to be every day. Or an electric rideable or bicycle of some sort. I did buy a motorcycle recently which does improve on some of that, but most of the improvement has been eaten up by the extra time it takes to gear up and park. Commuting is probably the single worst thing you can do to your quality of life. PS: yes I know this is a position of privilege. We’re on hacker news and I believe most of us share similar privileges

chroma 7y ago
I wish I could afford to live close to work, but being in the vicinity of Salesforce Tower is pretty goddamn expensive.