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> as that would be cheating the consumer. That's the excuse, it's more about pleasing the local producers, as Denomination of origin laws generally are. As a

> as that would be cheating the consumer. That's the excuse, it's more about pleasing the local producers, as Denomination of origin laws generally are. As a consumer, I care much much more about taste and price for the same type of product. That is, if it tastes the same or better, and is cheaper.... I don't care if it was produced 100 meters from my house outside of Europe, or in the basement of a 1300-year old church in a specific region of Italy. With today's technology, it's perfectly possible to emulate the ambient conditions from the original place in the super controlled food producing facilities. But the local producers in said region might lose competitiveness or would have to stop pricing it as a "premium" product just because of where it was produced. So, in my opinion, the concept of Denomination of Origin ends up being a legalized scam, as it end ups cheating more on the consumer, because in reality it doesn't necessarily mean the product is of better quality (as it's often advertised).

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riffraff 7y ago
> As a consumer, I care much much more about taste and price for the same type of product. that's great, as you're free to buy any of the things not called "Parmigiano". There's plenty of awesome stuff which is not PDO/PGI. The only reason you would call something unrelated "parmigiano" is if you wanted to attach yourself to the concept of "premium" without having to follow the same rules. You can absolutely make a great succesful product and not give a damn about denomination of origin rules. Bolgheri Sassicaia[0], for example, established itself as a fantastic wine without having an italian DOC(G) classification, until one was defined explicitly for it. > So, in my opinion, the concept of Denomination of Origin ends up being a legalized scam, as it end ups cheating more on the consumer, because in reality it doesn't necessarily mean the product is of better quality (as it's often advertised). But that is true of any advertisement. I agree that the basic denomination of origin does not imply quality, but I don't see how removing it improves things. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenuta_San_Guido https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenuta_San_Guido
- snagglegaggle 7y ago
  My experience is that it's basically impossible to find an equivalent product without allowing the use of the place name as a general adjective. In the US origin is separate and required. So, if you want Parmesan from Parma you can still be sure you'll get it.

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riffraff 7y ago

> As a consumer, I care much much more about taste and price for the same type of product. that's great, as you're free to buy any of the things not called "Parmigiano". There's plenty of awesome stuff which is not PDO/PGI. The only reason you would call something unrelated "parmigiano" is if you wanted to attach yourself to the concept of "premium" without having to follow the same rules. You can absolutely make a great succesful product and not give a damn about denomination of origin rules. Bolgheri Sassicaia[0], for example, established itself as a fantastic wine without having an italian DOC(G) classification, until one was defined explicitly for it. > So, in my opinion, the concept of Denomination of Origin ends up being a legalized scam, as it end ups cheating more on the consumer, because in reality it doesn't necessarily mean the product is of better quality (as it's often advertised). But that is true of any advertisement. I agree that the basic denomination of origin does not imply quality, but I don't see how removing it improves things. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenuta_San_Guido https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenuta_San_Guido

snagglegaggle 7y ago
My experience is that it's basically impossible to find an equivalent product without allowing the use of the place name as a general adjective. In the US origin is separate and required. So, if you want Parmesan from Parma you can still be sure you'll get it.