> That's just disingenuous, or at the very least shows that they haven't given it any actual thought. Or maybe they are thoughtful, caring people that are gene

> That's just disingenuous, or at the very least shows that they haven't given it any actual thought. Or maybe they are thoughtful, caring people that are generally kind but have a different take than you do. At any rate, your arguments in this thread do not settle the question, even if they were irrefutable. Point being, you just replied to "the issue isn't settled" with an impromptu attempt to finally settle things.