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I feel like you just ignore all the numbers I write and invent new ones. A stock Golf R with an EA888 engine makes 292 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque - significant

I feel like you just ignore all the numbers I write and invent new ones. A stock Golf R with an EA888 engine makes 292 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque - significantly more than any Accord you can buy new. A Golf R with a mild tune (just software) will generate closer to 350 hp, and moderate-serious tunes start around 400 hp. They also use this engine in their Passat, which is a mid-size sedan which competes directly with the Accord and weighs about the same. https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tsi_gen3_mqb_r.html https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tsi_gen3_mqb_r.... I'm sorry, but at this point I'm just going to say you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to IC engines and exit this thread.

Retric 7y ago
You need to be making an apples or apples comparison for different numbers to be meaningful. The base golf gets 25 city / 34 highway a Golf R gets 22 city / 29 highway. With a mid tune that golf R gets even worse mileage. These numbers drop further when you talk about a larger car with more wind resistance or weight. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=1&year1=2018&year2=2018&make=Volkswagen&baseModel=Golf%2FGTI&srchtyp=ymm https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform... Meanwhile the larger Honda Accord is getting 30 city, and 38 highway. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=7&year=2019&make=Honda&model=Accord&srchtyp=ymm https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform... Taking a 25+% cut to fuel economy to use a lighter engine is a really bad tradeoff for most people. Especially when the point of this discussion was talking about fuel density comparisons. On top of this IC’s also need a much larger and more complex transmission among other things which should be included in the weight comparison.

Retric 7y ago

You need to be making an apples or apples comparison for different numbers to be meaningful. The base golf gets 25 city / 34 highway a Golf R gets 22 city / 29 highway. With a mid tune that golf R gets even worse mileage. These numbers drop further when you talk about a larger car with more wind resistance or weight. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=1&year1=2018&year2=2018&make=Volkswagen&baseModel=Golf%2FGTI&srchtyp=ymm https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform... Meanwhile the larger Honda Accord is getting 30 city, and 38 highway. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=7&year=2019&make=Honda&model=Accord&srchtyp=ymm https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform... Taking a 25+% cut to fuel economy to use a lighter engine is a really bad tradeoff for most people. Especially when the point of this discussion was talking about fuel density comparisons. On top of this IC’s also need a much larger and more complex transmission among other things which should be included in the weight comparison.