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> How do fascists not realize they are being such? What an outrageous level of hyperbole. It is not fascism to ask others to not intentionally misgender peopl

> How do fascists not realize they are being such? What an outrageous level of hyperbole. It is not fascism to ask others to not intentionally misgender people.

effingwewt 7y ago
There's a world of difference between using gender neutral pronouns and purposely misgendering. And even then, intent matters. Gender does not. I dont care who or what you consider yourself, I'm glad we as a society have choices. I want everyone to be themselves, again I've had friends and family memebers whose lives were ruined or made difficult for being gay. But to tell me if I dont use whatever flavor of the week pronoun, I am harassing someone, and taking my right to speak for not conforming is facism.
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AgentME 7y ago
Agreed. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading most of the commentary here on HN or elsewhere about this. I get that there's some details about this case that are a bit ambiguous, but it doesn't seem obviously worth a witchhunt of SO. If it seemed to SO like a moderator was looking for loopholes for not enforcing a CoC, then I don't think it's wrong for them to consider the moderator as working in bad faith and not moderator material.
- SeanBoocock 7y ago
  Likewise. I am shocked by the lack of empathy expressed by many here and on SO. Pronouns may be a small thing for a cis person, but for others they are a way to reclaim an identity denied to them. To deny anyone that basic level of respect is unconscionable, regardless of whether a code of conduct enforces it or not. A person tasked with enforcing community norms who is unwilling to do that and more, who subverts drafting a policy in bad faith, has no business being a moderator.
vunie 7y ago
The problem here is that people aren't being asked; they're being forced and, in this case, punished. You don't get to dictate others actions just as they don't dictate yours. When you do, don't be surprised when people start fighting back.
michannne 7y ago
How can you possibly know which situations are intentional versus which are not? It could only be fascism because there is no possible way you could have a solution.

> How do fascists not realize they are being such? What an outrageous level of hyperbole. It is not fascism to ask others to not intentionally misgender people.

effingwewt 7y ago

There's a world of difference between using gender neutral pronouns and purposely misgendering. And even then, intent matters. Gender does not. I dont care who or what you consider yourself, I'm glad we as a society have choices. I want everyone to be themselves, again I've had friends and family memebers whose lives were ruined or made difficult for being gay. But to tell me if I dont use whatever flavor of the week pronoun, I am harassing someone, and taking my right to speak for not conforming is facism.

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AgentME 7y ago

Agreed. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading most of the commentary here on HN or elsewhere about this. I get that there's some details about this case that are a bit ambiguous, but it doesn't seem obviously worth a witchhunt of SO. If it seemed to SO like a moderator was looking for loopholes for not enforcing a CoC, then I don't think it's wrong for them to consider the moderator as working in bad faith and not moderator material.

SeanBoocock 7y ago
Likewise. I am shocked by the lack of empathy expressed by many here and on SO. Pronouns may be a small thing for a cis person, but for others they are a way to reclaim an identity denied to them. To deny anyone that basic level of respect is unconscionable, regardless of whether a code of conduct enforces it or not. A person tasked with enforcing community norms who is unwilling to do that and more, who subverts drafting a policy in bad faith, has no business being a moderator.

vunie 7y ago

The problem here is that people aren't being asked; they're being forced and, in this case, punished. You don't get to dictate others actions just as they don't dictate yours. When you do, don't be surprised when people start fighting back.

michannne 7y ago

How can you possibly know which situations are intentional versus which are not? It could only be fascism because there is no possible way you could have a solution.