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When you say “going” mainstream... it’s been in popular fiction for at least decades (e.g. The X Files in the 90s).
by jl6 7y ago
When you say “going” mainstream... it’s been in popular fiction for at least decades (e.g. The X Files in the 90s).
- carapace 7y agoExactly. It was in "X-Files" and now it's in the Wikipedia. The epistemological status has changed in the last couple of decades. I'm hardly in touch with the mainstream zeitgeist but is seems very recent to me.
- scintill76 7y ago"Project MKUltra was first brought to public attention in 1975" - the OP. A NYTimes article from 1977[0] talks about mind control, LSD experiments, covert partnerships with doctors, secret funding, etc. A contemporary source from Wikipedia uses the name MKUltra. What information emerged since 1977? Are you just saying many more people know about it now, even though it's been public for decades? (Maybe this is because of X-Files etc.) Were you around in the 60's when perhaps there were rumors but no public confirmation? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/1977/08/02/archives/private-institutions-used-in-cia-effort-to-control-behavior-25year.html https://www.nytimes.com/1977/08/02/archives/private-institut...
- carapace 7y ago> Are you just saying many more people know about it now, even though it's been public for decades? Pretty much. I wasn't around in the 60's or 70's so I can't really tell you what reaction was like then but by the mid-90's if you talked about it you were a "tinfoil hat" wearer.
- jl6 7y agoI talked about it in the 90s and the only tin foil hat accusations were against those who used it as a jumping board for fantasizing about conspiracy theories. It’s the same with any juicy fact involving the government - there’s a core of truth which is widely accepted, surrounded by a halo of speculation generated by people who want to believe they are party to secret knowledge.
- carapace 7y ago> I talked about it in the 90s and the only tin foil hat accusations ... To whom? Where? I sure as hell never met anybody who was willing to discuss it. > It’s the same with any juicy fact involving the government What is it" in that sentence? MKUltra? > there’s a core of truth which is widely accepted, surrounded by a halo of speculation generated by people who want to believe they are party to secret knowledge. Would you say that statement characterizes the situation around MKUltra?
- throw_away 7y agoUh, there's been an MKUltra entry on Wikipedia since 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_MKUltra&oldid=19362 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_MKUltra&o...
- johnchristopher 7y agoI first learned of mkultra in the novel Charlie, in 1990.
- therealdrag0 7y agoI learned about it 10 years ago (while I was in university) in a Stuff You Should Know episode, which is a pretty popular/mainstream podcast.