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Well, I wouldn’t actually call something like having competent window management, something that macOS is sorely lacking, a “hobbyist” feature. I don’t buy the

Well, I wouldn’t actually call something like having competent window management, something that macOS is sorely lacking, a “hobbyist” feature. I don’t buy the argument that Apple wants to let you get things done when their stuff lacks things like that. How is removing a feature like “mark all as read” helping me do that? And if you think Finder works better than Windows Explorer or other products that emulate Windows Explorer, you’re certainly in the minority.

sbuk 7y ago
Can you elaborate on your comment "competent window management"?
- wayneftw 7y ago
  Being able to maximize a window without having to use 2 hands (to hold down the option key). Snapping. Switching directly back to another apps window. Being able to see a separate icon in my dock for every open window. If I have to install third-party app to do this stuff, it doesn’t really help me when I go over to some junior developers machine to help them. The problem is that macOS is what they call “app-centric” and they’re the only ones who do it. It’s not better, but Apple will try to convince everyone that it is, just like when they stuck with the single mouse button for a decade, when clearly multiple button mice were considered the standard.
  - sbuk 7y ago
    > “The problem is that macOS is what they call “app-centric” and they’re the only ones who do it.” Actually, it’s document centric - the Windows approach is “app” centric. It has always been like that, 35 years and counting. It’s arguably a “truer” implementation of a windowed UI, than Windows.
    - wayneftw 7y ago
      No that is incorrect, macOS is app-centric and it’s really not a truer form of anything in particular other than its self. That’s why you only see one icon in the dock per app and not per window or document. And you cannot switch directly from one document in one application to another document in another application. You have to switch apps first, then you can switch documents/windows. Windows is window-centric. That’s why when you do alt tab, you see all of the windows. That’s also why you classically see a separate task bar item for each window. I’d like to hear an argument in support of your view though.
guitarbill 7y ago
Cmd+Tab and Cmd+` are great. Maybe it's dumb to you, but that's what keeps me coming back to macOS. Finder still feels less cluttered to me than Explorer. It isn't quite as simple as Finder vs Explorer, it's the built-in assumptions. For me, Finder + Unix filesystem vs Explorer + Windows filesystem is a no-brainer.
coldtea 7y ago
>Well, I wouldn’t actually call something like having competent window management, something that macOS is sorely lacking, a “hobbyist” feature. I've used Windows and Linux (several wms), I wouldn't call their window management any more competent (if not less). If you want a tiling wm for macOs, there are a few. But managing windows is mostly bikeshedding, and for that something like Linux would serve better...

sbuk 7y ago

Can you elaborate on your comment "competent window management"?

wayneftw 7y ago
Being able to maximize a window without having to use 2 hands (to hold down the option key). Snapping. Switching directly back to another apps window. Being able to see a separate icon in my dock for every open window. If I have to install third-party app to do this stuff, it doesn’t really help me when I go over to some junior developers machine to help them. The problem is that macOS is what they call “app-centric” and they’re the only ones who do it. It’s not better, but Apple will try to convince everyone that it is, just like when they stuck with the single mouse button for a decade, when clearly multiple button mice were considered the standard.
- sbuk 7y ago
  > “The problem is that macOS is what they call “app-centric” and they’re the only ones who do it.” Actually, it’s document centric - the Windows approach is “app” centric. It has always been like that, 35 years and counting. It’s arguably a “truer” implementation of a windowed UI, than Windows.
  - wayneftw 7y ago
    No that is incorrect, macOS is app-centric and it’s really not a truer form of anything in particular other than its self. That’s why you only see one icon in the dock per app and not per window or document. And you cannot switch directly from one document in one application to another document in another application. You have to switch apps first, then you can switch documents/windows. Windows is window-centric. That’s why when you do alt tab, you see all of the windows. That’s also why you classically see a separate task bar item for each window. I’d like to hear an argument in support of your view though.

guitarbill 7y ago

Cmd+Tab and Cmd+` are great. Maybe it's dumb to you, but that's what keeps me coming back to macOS. Finder still feels less cluttered to me than Explorer. It isn't quite as simple as Finder vs Explorer, it's the built-in assumptions. For me, Finder + Unix filesystem vs Explorer + Windows filesystem is a no-brainer.

coldtea 7y ago

>Well, I wouldn’t actually call something like having competent window management, something that macOS is sorely lacking, a “hobbyist” feature. I've used Windows and Linux (several wms), I wouldn't call their window management any more competent (if not less). If you want a tiling wm for macOs, there are a few. But managing windows is mostly bikeshedding, and for that something like Linux would serve better...