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This is my personal view, but that is nonsense. I understand intelligence is not all these things, but 3 year olds can follow instructions, do pretty advanced p

This is my personal view, but that is nonsense. I understand intelligence is not all these things, but 3 year olds can follow instructions, do pretty advanced problem solving, speak, do basic math, understand logical problems. I'm sure you can find some aspect where a pig and a 3yo are on the same "level", but as a general comparison, it absolutely fails.

Sawamara 7y ago
There are so many things wrong with this post that I cannot even begin to dismantle it. Lets see. How about mentally ill children at the age of 3? How about kids who cant do "basic math and understand logical problems" (ignoring the fact that animals are pretty good at solving puzzles and they DO understand logical problems). Or how about the fact that these animals have conscience: they have a view of themselves, they empathize with each other, they form social relationships. They care for their young, etc. The comparison does not fail. My dog might only be at a level of a 1.5 year old, instead of a PROPER 3 YEAR OLD, but nevertheless, he has ego, he has behavioral patterns, he has feelings. You can tell by living with one.
- everyone 7y ago
  "There are so many things wrong with this post that I cannot even begin to dismantle it." True to your word do dont even begin to dismantle yummybears arguments. Most of what you've written is 'avoiding the argument' https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/61/Avoiding-the-Issue https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla... with a bit of 'strawman' https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/169/Strawman-Fallacy https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla... EDIT:I almost forgot 'Appeal to Emotion' https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/29/Appeal_to_Emotion https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla... Dude, have you thought about a career in politics?
Smithalicious 7y ago
I think it's impossible to compare human and animal intelligence because there's a "hard-coded" part to intelligence. I don't think being unable to understand human language says anything about the general intelligence of a non-human animal since humans are at least partially hard-wired to understand language. That pretty much precludes any animal from ever being able to "follow instructions", "speak", "understand logical problems", etcetera. Even if they would have the general intelligence to do the things we want them to do, it's very difficult to encode that information in a way that they would understand.

Sawamara 7y ago

There are so many things wrong with this post that I cannot even begin to dismantle it. Lets see. How about mentally ill children at the age of 3? How about kids who cant do "basic math and understand logical problems" (ignoring the fact that animals are pretty good at solving puzzles and they DO understand logical problems). Or how about the fact that these animals have conscience: they have a view of themselves, they empathize with each other, they form social relationships. They care for their young, etc. The comparison does not fail. My dog might only be at a level of a 1.5 year old, instead of a PROPER 3 YEAR OLD, but nevertheless, he has ego, he has behavioral patterns, he has feelings. You can tell by living with one.

everyone 7y ago
"There are so many things wrong with this post that I cannot even begin to dismantle it." True to your word do dont even begin to dismantle yummybears arguments. Most of what you've written is 'avoiding the argument' https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/61/Avoiding-the-Issue https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla... with a bit of 'strawman' https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/169/Strawman-Fallacy https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla... EDIT:I almost forgot 'Appeal to Emotion' https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/29/Appeal_to_Emotion https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla... Dude, have you thought about a career in politics?

Smithalicious 7y ago

I think it's impossible to compare human and animal intelligence because there's a "hard-coded" part to intelligence. I don't think being unable to understand human language says anything about the general intelligence of a non-human animal since humans are at least partially hard-wired to understand language. That pretty much precludes any animal from ever being able to "follow instructions", "speak", "understand logical problems", etcetera. Even if they would have the general intelligence to do the things we want them to do, it's very difficult to encode that information in a way that they would understand.