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While I think it is good to create inexpensive healthy high protein foods, I also think we should have a fair free market for people who want to continue buying

While I think it is good to create inexpensive healthy high protein foods, I also think we should have a fair free market for people who want to continue buying real meat, organic foods, non GMO foods, cheap foods produced with GMO and petrochemicals. Free choice and a free market, with strict accurate labeling laws is what I want.

core-questions 7y ago
For sure. I mean, claims like: > The impact of this disruption on industrial animal farming will be profound. By 2030, the number of cows in the U.S. will have fallen by 50% and the cattle farming industry will be all but bankrupt. This is ridiculous. I'm not going to stop eating beef because of the availability of cheap weird unproven lab-grown protein. I might try the latter, maybe feed it to my pets, but as long as I can reasonably afford to eat real meat, I'm going to do so. The market that will suffer most is probably going to be the non-GMO organic stuff you mention, because it's already that much more expensive than the cheap stuff, so it will be even harder to justify for most folks, esp. if the lab-grown replacements get endorsed as being Healthy by the right Authorities on the issue.
- quaquaqua1 7y ago
  Do you ever eat at Taco Bell or McDonalds? Their beef is pretty much flavored soy at this point. Most consumers aren't going to be "knowingly" apart of this shift, I feel.
  - Cd00d 7y ago
    Citation? "McDonald’s hamburger patties in the U.S. are made with 100% USDA-inspected beef. They are cooked and prepared with salt, pepper and nothing else; no preservatives, no fillers." From: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-100-beef/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-100-beef/
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    - albertsondev 7y ago
      The angle is more on the lackluster taste than any concerns composition, I believe.
  - worik 7y ago
    No I do not!
- Jommi 7y ago
  You might be not factoring in how long of a time 10 years will be.
rcpt 7y ago
> fair free market If we had that there wouldn't be so much meat in the first place. Currently, each year, American taxpayers subsidize the animal food system to the tune of $38 billion.
- o_p 7y ago
  The problem with the free market is that mass starvation can perfectly be a market optimal, of all the things that are subsidized, food is the most important.
  - rcpt 7y ago
    There are many ways to prevent starvation without heavily subsidizing animal agriculture.
- windexh8er 7y ago
  And... > inexpensive healthy high protein Most people don't know how much protein they should actually be eating [0]. And while they're focusing on "high protein" they fail to understand the need for "high fiber". The Western diet focused on proteins isn't doing us any good in the long run by using the majority of our farm land for feed crops. And then we've been told eating chicken [1] 7 days a week, twice a day is "healthy". What Canada did by boxing out big agriculture and regroup their dietary recommendations is impressive by making it evidence based and not lobbyist driven [2]. [0] https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-weight-loss/when-it-comes-to-protein-how-much-is-too-much https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-weight-loss/when-it-... [1] https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/110/1/24/5494812/ https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/110/1/24/5494... [2] https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-food-guide-healthy-eating-food-processors-industry-dairy-beef-lobbying-1.4970122 https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-food-guide-healthy-eat...
- mark_l_watson 7y ago
  Good point, and it is probably even more than $38B in subsidies.

core-questions 7y ago

For sure. I mean, claims like: > The impact of this disruption on industrial animal farming will be profound. By 2030, the number of cows in the U.S. will have fallen by 50% and the cattle farming industry will be all but bankrupt. This is ridiculous. I'm not going to stop eating beef because of the availability of cheap weird unproven lab-grown protein. I might try the latter, maybe feed it to my pets, but as long as I can reasonably afford to eat real meat, I'm going to do so. The market that will suffer most is probably going to be the non-GMO organic stuff you mention, because it's already that much more expensive than the cheap stuff, so it will be even harder to justify for most folks, esp. if the lab-grown replacements get endorsed as being Healthy by the right Authorities on the issue.

quaquaqua1 7y ago
Do you ever eat at Taco Bell or McDonalds? Their beef is pretty much flavored soy at this point. Most consumers aren't going to be "knowingly" apart of this shift, I feel.
- Cd00d 7y ago
  Citation? "McDonald’s hamburger patties in the U.S. are made with 100% USDA-inspected beef. They are cooked and prepared with salt, pepper and nothing else; no preservatives, no fillers." From: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-100-beef/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-100-beef/
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  - albertsondev 7y ago
    The angle is more on the lackluster taste than any concerns composition, I believe.
- worik 7y ago
  No I do not!
Jommi 7y ago
You might be not factoring in how long of a time 10 years will be.

rcpt 7y ago

> fair free market If we had that there wouldn't be so much meat in the first place. Currently, each year, American taxpayers subsidize the animal food system to the tune of $38 billion.

o_p 7y ago
The problem with the free market is that mass starvation can perfectly be a market optimal, of all the things that are subsidized, food is the most important.
- rcpt 7y ago
  There are many ways to prevent starvation without heavily subsidizing animal agriculture.
windexh8er 7y ago
And... > inexpensive healthy high protein Most people don't know how much protein they should actually be eating [0]. And while they're focusing on "high protein" they fail to understand the need for "high fiber". The Western diet focused on proteins isn't doing us any good in the long run by using the majority of our farm land for feed crops. And then we've been told eating chicken [1] 7 days a week, twice a day is "healthy". What Canada did by boxing out big agriculture and regroup their dietary recommendations is impressive by making it evidence based and not lobbyist driven [2]. [0] https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-weight-loss/when-it-comes-to-protein-how-much-is-too-much https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-weight-loss/when-it-... [1] https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/110/1/24/5494812/ https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/110/1/24/5494... [2] https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-food-guide-healthy-eating-food-processors-industry-dairy-beef-lobbying-1.4970122 https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-food-guide-healthy-eat...
mark_l_watson 7y ago
Good point, and it is probably even more than $38B in subsidies.