5 ms·

>Mandating sideloading would remove consumer choice. How exactly are you affected by an optional thing that is off by default and hidden away. Apple could forc

>Mandating sideloading would remove consumer choice. How exactly are you affected by an optional thing that is off by default and hidden away. Apple could force you to watch some videos that explain why this is dangerous and make you read all the warnings. Some smart developers and designers could design this so grandma is not tricked to install malware, you could even require you take a quiz online. You also have the Mac OS example, it is not locked down and the viruses and malware are not rampant. Honest question , can you take 1 minute and consider thins, is there a large monetary incentive for Apple to lock down iOS?

spunker540 7y ago
There is a good incentive for them to do it, just like any other business decision they make. There should also be a large monetary incentive for someone to create a more open platform if people really cared about it as much HN does. The problem is most people could care less. I will never hear my mom say she wishes she could download apps that aren’t on the App Store.
- simion314 7y ago
  My son was playing a new video game. After he finished I asked him about it and he told me that was good but some buttons were inverted and he had to get used to that. He did not know or asked himself if maybe there are options to change the buttons/controls. Same with your mother, she will not even know or consider the side loading app idea, this will happen only you are hit with things like your application or books are removed from your device, or a popular application is not approved because of political or moral issues. Other example is ad blocking, my relatives do not ask me randomly , "hey is there something that can block ads?" , I need to notice they are missing an ad blocker, then explain why should install one and install one for them. Btw my parents don't play video games, so since you decided if parents don't need something then is useless let's get rid of video games.
zepto 7y ago
The incentives for people to trick grandma and anyone else into downloading malware would outweigh any benefit. Frankly, Google and Facebook would probably be the first to release their own App Store apps and then use their platforms to tell everyone how this was safe. To believe otherwise is naive.
- simion314 7y ago
  >he incentives for people to trick grandma and anyone else into downloading malware would outweigh any benefit. What is your opinion on Apple Pay then? if Apple has such a large user base of user that follow every instructions they read on a webpage and put their password in random inputs then Apple Pay is even more dangerous
  - zepto 7y ago
    You are clearly missing the point. Nobody is talking about people who ‘follow every instruction on a webpage’. If you don’t think Facebook or Google could persuade people to install a store, you are out of contact with reality. Once installed, those stores would be just as compromised as Google and Facebook have already proven themselves to be over and over again.
    - simion314 7y ago
      So the Apple users would read some instruction from Google to go into a hidden area of the Settings, tap some button 10 times, then lick Apple log 10 times, then enter into an input "I am aware that this is extremely risky and Steve Jobs will hate me" and then enable the different app store and later get infected AND they would complain to Apple "Why did you did not protect me from my stupidity, I did not knew what I was doing" , Really are this iOS users that stupid ? how could they use MacBooks without going monthly to a shop to remove viruses ? Or only iPhone users that don't have laptops are stupid?
      - zepto 7y ago
        You seem to have lost track of the conversation. We are talking about Apple being mandated to allow sideloading. They obviously wouldn’t be allowed to make it so difficult that nobody could be persuaded to do it, which defeats your point.

spunker540 7y ago

There is a good incentive for them to do it, just like any other business decision they make. There should also be a large monetary incentive for someone to create a more open platform if people really cared about it as much HN does. The problem is most people could care less. I will never hear my mom say she wishes she could download apps that aren’t on the App Store.

simion314 7y ago
My son was playing a new video game. After he finished I asked him about it and he told me that was good but some buttons were inverted and he had to get used to that. He did not know or asked himself if maybe there are options to change the buttons/controls. Same with your mother, she will not even know or consider the side loading app idea, this will happen only you are hit with things like your application or books are removed from your device, or a popular application is not approved because of political or moral issues. Other example is ad blocking, my relatives do not ask me randomly , "hey is there something that can block ads?" , I need to notice they are missing an ad blocker, then explain why should install one and install one for them. Btw my parents don't play video games, so since you decided if parents don't need something then is useless let's get rid of video games.

zepto 7y ago

The incentives for people to trick grandma and anyone else into downloading malware would outweigh any benefit. Frankly, Google and Facebook would probably be the first to release their own App Store apps and then use their platforms to tell everyone how this was safe. To believe otherwise is naive.

simion314 7y ago
>he incentives for people to trick grandma and anyone else into downloading malware would outweigh any benefit. What is your opinion on Apple Pay then? if Apple has such a large user base of user that follow every instructions they read on a webpage and put their password in random inputs then Apple Pay is even more dangerous
- zepto 7y ago
  You are clearly missing the point. Nobody is talking about people who ‘follow every instruction on a webpage’. If you don’t think Facebook or Google could persuade people to install a store, you are out of contact with reality. Once installed, those stores would be just as compromised as Google and Facebook have already proven themselves to be over and over again.
  - simion314 7y ago
    So the Apple users would read some instruction from Google to go into a hidden area of the Settings, tap some button 10 times, then lick Apple log 10 times, then enter into an input "I am aware that this is extremely risky and Steve Jobs will hate me" and then enable the different app store and later get infected AND they would complain to Apple "Why did you did not protect me from my stupidity, I did not knew what I was doing" , Really are this iOS users that stupid ? how could they use MacBooks without going monthly to a shop to remove viruses ? Or only iPhone users that don't have laptops are stupid?
    - zepto 7y ago
      You seem to have lost track of the conversation. We are talking about Apple being mandated to allow sideloading. They obviously wouldn’t be allowed to make it so difficult that nobody could be persuaded to do it, which defeats your point.