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I don't think a high % of Chinese- or really any culture where MMA isn't big- know that their traditional martial arts are BS. It took a couple of decades here

I don't think a high % of Chinese- or really any culture where MMA isn't big- know that their traditional martial arts are BS. It took a couple of decades here in the US for people to realize that TMAs are mostly nonsense. From what I've heard, the CCP wants to preserve & promote traditional Chinese culture, which includes their native martial arts. They view MMA as a Western influence, so they want to keep it out

trenning 7y ago
The UFC just had an event in Shenzhen in August. In fact a Chinese MMA fighter (Zhang Weili) beat the then current champion to become strawweight division champ. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Weili https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Weili
- hash872 7y ago
  I'm aware. In general the Party has not been very enthusiastic about MMA/western martial arts- they see it as a cultural influence thing. I agree that they're not outright banned
- Quekid5 7y ago
  I hate to be cynical, but once you get a winner you're probably going to want to keep on winning, right...? Btw, that's what I think the CCP is: Cynical to the utmost extreme. If they sense that the wind is changing they'll adapt. There are limits to how far they'll adapt, obviously[0], but for something like this (cultural heritage vs. whatever), I don't doubt they'll do it soonish. Except for pictures of Winnie the Pooh juxtaposed on the Leader's head. (I mean... how petty can you get?) [0] Self-preservation would be a top-priority, I imagine. Maybe for the party, but not necessarily.
- ncmncm 7y ago
  That event is cited in the article.
gist 7y ago
> It took a couple of decades here in the US for people to realize that TMAs are mostly nonsense. How are they mostly nonsense? A typical case might be use in an unavoidable situation where some kind of defense is needed. Most people would probably want some kind of 'training' to be able to call on. That is if you can't walk away or avoid which would be the first choice. [1] Most people are probably not training thinking they are going to fight a determined adversary in a real battle. Saying it is 'mostly nonsense' is the same as saying locks are of no value. [1] That said I do think that training people for a night or a few lessons 'women learn how to defend yourself if attacked!' is for sure going to cause more harm than good very generally.
- BubRoss 7y ago
  They are mostly nonsense for any real fighting because they aren't full contact and aren't practiced with a resisting opponent. Traditional martial arts don't accomplish the things you listed. We now know from MMA that the martial arts 'styles' that work boil down to complete striking and grappling with submissions. There aren't any Tai Chi or shoalin Kung Fu masters out there winning MMA fights, which is all this guy set out to prove.
  - hootbootscoot 7y ago
    "submissions" won't exist in that dark alley at 3am... It's run away, die, kill, etc. I don't think you got the correct message from the article (as outlined above: it was about exposing fraudulent "masters" and the incentivization of such fraudulent masters via the CCP.) A 200 pound person trained in TMA who also may have experience in XYZ context (read: actual something or other, MMA, or otherwise.) will probably do as well as the same weight and experience person with an MMA background. Complacency can also easily occur via an MMA background in confusing a streetfight for a match or sparring, as above. Aka: there are varying dynamic levels, from mere formal demonstrations of "moves", to people trying them out on each other in real-time but with less than harmful intentions, to competitive yet still structure brawling (you don't break the guys neck to end an MMA match) to shouting drunk with occasional jabs or scuffles on a street corner in some prolonged stupid social interaction, to something escalating ultra-rapidly in an unarmed state, to armed combat resulting in an unexpected close-range hand-to-hand encounter (both of the latter perhaps ending in the death of one or another combatent) try not to simplistically and chauvinistically reduce it to "TMA sux, MMA rox" which is silly to say.

trenning 7y ago

The UFC just had an event in Shenzhen in August. In fact a Chinese MMA fighter (Zhang Weili) beat the then current champion to become strawweight division champ. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Weili https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Weili

hash872 7y ago
I'm aware. In general the Party has not been very enthusiastic about MMA/western martial arts- they see it as a cultural influence thing. I agree that they're not outright banned
Quekid5 7y ago
I hate to be cynical, but once you get a winner you're probably going to want to keep on winning, right...? Btw, that's what I think the CCP is: Cynical to the utmost extreme. If they sense that the wind is changing they'll adapt. There are limits to how far they'll adapt, obviously[0], but for something like this (cultural heritage vs. whatever), I don't doubt they'll do it soonish. Except for pictures of Winnie the Pooh juxtaposed on the Leader's head. (I mean... how petty can you get?) [0] Self-preservation would be a top-priority, I imagine. Maybe for the party, but not necessarily.
ncmncm 7y ago
That event is cited in the article.

gist 7y ago

> It took a couple of decades here in the US for people to realize that TMAs are mostly nonsense. How are they mostly nonsense? A typical case might be use in an unavoidable situation where some kind of defense is needed. Most people would probably want some kind of 'training' to be able to call on. That is if you can't walk away or avoid which would be the first choice. [1] Most people are probably not training thinking they are going to fight a determined adversary in a real battle. Saying it is 'mostly nonsense' is the same as saying locks are of no value. [1] That said I do think that training people for a night or a few lessons 'women learn how to defend yourself if attacked!' is for sure going to cause more harm than good very generally.

BubRoss 7y ago
They are mostly nonsense for any real fighting because they aren't full contact and aren't practiced with a resisting opponent. Traditional martial arts don't accomplish the things you listed. We now know from MMA that the martial arts 'styles' that work boil down to complete striking and grappling with submissions. There aren't any Tai Chi or shoalin Kung Fu masters out there winning MMA fights, which is all this guy set out to prove.
- hootbootscoot 7y ago
  "submissions" won't exist in that dark alley at 3am... It's run away, die, kill, etc. I don't think you got the correct message from the article (as outlined above: it was about exposing fraudulent "masters" and the incentivization of such fraudulent masters via the CCP.) A 200 pound person trained in TMA who also may have experience in XYZ context (read: actual something or other, MMA, or otherwise.) will probably do as well as the same weight and experience person with an MMA background. Complacency can also easily occur via an MMA background in confusing a streetfight for a match or sparring, as above. Aka: there are varying dynamic levels, from mere formal demonstrations of "moves", to people trying them out on each other in real-time but with less than harmful intentions, to competitive yet still structure brawling (you don't break the guys neck to end an MMA match) to shouting drunk with occasional jabs or scuffles on a street corner in some prolonged stupid social interaction, to something escalating ultra-rapidly in an unarmed state, to armed combat resulting in an unexpected close-range hand-to-hand encounter (both of the latter perhaps ending in the death of one or another combatent) try not to simplistically and chauvinistically reduce it to "TMA sux, MMA rox" which is silly to say.