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In early 2018, Apple forced their users to opt-in to migrating iCloud encryption keys and data to Chinese data centers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin

In early 2018, Apple forced their users to opt-in to migrating iCloud encryption keys and data to Chinese data centers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insight/apple-moves-to-store-icloud-keys-in-china-raising-human-rights-fears-idUSKCN1G8060 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh... Chinese government nationalized the data centers six months later, gaining access to all the encryption keys and user iCloud data at rest: https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-data/#ahDzcDZPeiqd https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-d...

jki275 7y ago
You've missed the fact that the OP said ALL. Apple does business in China the way they have to do business in China. I don't agree with that, but I'm also quite sure they have not given my iCloud keys to China.
- bduerst 7y ago
  And you missed the point where I said that it was an oddly narrow goalpost. Also, how exactly was what I said "not accurate at all"? I accuarately said Apple was sharing iCloud data and encryption keys with the Chinese government.
  - jki275 7y ago
    You claimed Apple gives access to ALL iCloud data to China. That is not correct, which is why I pointed that out.
    - bduerst 7y ago
      No I did not. You can read the comment thread and see that. That's your own straw man.
      - jki275 7y ago
        "..giving the Chinese government access to all iCloud pictures, .." Direct quote. Emphasis mine.
        bduerst 7y ago
        >"Apple shares user encryption keys with the Chinese government, for example, giving the Chinese government access to all iCloud pictures, messages, documents, videos, etc." Is the full sentence with context, meaning access for all the iCloud data for the encryption keys being shared. Don't mince words because you misunderstood the sentence.
        jki275 7y ago
        There is no grammatical foundation for your parsing of the sentence. If you meant it that way, you wrote it incorrectly.

jki275 7y ago

You've missed the fact that the OP said ALL. Apple does business in China the way they have to do business in China. I don't agree with that, but I'm also quite sure they have not given my iCloud keys to China.

bduerst 7y ago
And you missed the point where I said that it was an oddly narrow goalpost. Also, how exactly was what I said "not accurate at all"? I accuarately said Apple was sharing iCloud data and encryption keys with the Chinese government.
- jki275 7y ago
  You claimed Apple gives access to ALL iCloud data to China. That is not correct, which is why I pointed that out.
  - bduerst 7y ago
    No I did not. You can read the comment thread and see that. That's your own straw man.
    - jki275 7y ago
      "..giving the Chinese government access to all iCloud pictures, .." Direct quote. Emphasis mine.
      - bduerst 7y ago
        >"Apple shares user encryption keys with the Chinese government, for example, giving the Chinese government access to all iCloud pictures, messages, documents, videos, etc." Is the full sentence with context, meaning access for all the iCloud data for the encryption keys being shared. Don't mince words because you misunderstood the sentence.
        jki275 7y ago
        There is no grammatical foundation for your parsing of the sentence. If you meant it that way, you wrote it incorrectly.