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So propaganda is not allowed, by political ads that contain lies are allowed. Aren't lies in political ads by the ruling party or candidate ... propaganda?

vkou 7y ago
It's about as consistent as people complaining about the Kremlin lying on Facebook, but not some billionaire lying on Facebook. Bonus points when you don't even know who he is, because his money has been laundered through a PAC. Oh, and we get to subsidize his speech, because it's tax-deductible for him. Double bonus points if, in a slightly different situation, that billionaire has been borrowing money for his various business ventures from friends of the Kremlin, and happens to look a wee bit orange...
- toast0 7y ago
  You also missed the other subsidy. TV ad spots for political ads have their prices frozen at the beginning of the election season. When the season heats up, other advertisers get pushed out as their prices increase, but politicians keep the frozen price.
  - reaperducer 7y ago
    You are correct. The reason this happens made sense at the time it was done, but doesn't anymore. At the time these rules were enacted, TV stations didn't want to carry political ads, and hardly any would accept them. The enforced rate structure was devised not only to encourage TV stations to carry political ads, but to ensure that a party with deeper pockets didn't drown out less-well-funded opinions. When I worked in TV, the sales department hated political season because their bonuses got slashed. A couple of economic crises later, and TV stations look forward to political ads because they it turns out they are more stable, reliable, and often pay in advance. The old standby for TV ads, car dealers, turned out to be not-so-reliable after all, especially with the automaker bankruptcies and people keeping cars longer. With a bird in the hand worth two in the bush, we now have political ads out the wazoo.
mywittyname 7y ago
Yes. And there should be facilities in place to punish those who push knowingly false narratives, but that's a damn-near impossible task to achieve.
dillondoyle 7y ago
political ads have reporting and disclaimers, or minimally an attempt at transparency. Bots/propaganda online pretends to be someone else, does not proclaim the source.

vkou 7y ago

It's about as consistent as people complaining about the Kremlin lying on Facebook, but not some billionaire lying on Facebook. Bonus points when you don't even know who he is, because his money has been laundered through a PAC. Oh, and we get to subsidize his speech, because it's tax-deductible for him. Double bonus points if, in a slightly different situation, that billionaire has been borrowing money for his various business ventures from friends of the Kremlin, and happens to look a wee bit orange...

toast0 7y ago
You also missed the other subsidy. TV ad spots for political ads have their prices frozen at the beginning of the election season. When the season heats up, other advertisers get pushed out as their prices increase, but politicians keep the frozen price.
- reaperducer 7y ago
  You are correct. The reason this happens made sense at the time it was done, but doesn't anymore. At the time these rules were enacted, TV stations didn't want to carry political ads, and hardly any would accept them. The enforced rate structure was devised not only to encourage TV stations to carry political ads, but to ensure that a party with deeper pockets didn't drown out less-well-funded opinions. When I worked in TV, the sales department hated political season because their bonuses got slashed. A couple of economic crises later, and TV stations look forward to political ads because they it turns out they are more stable, reliable, and often pay in advance. The old standby for TV ads, car dealers, turned out to be not-so-reliable after all, especially with the automaker bankruptcies and people keeping cars longer. With a bird in the hand worth two in the bush, we now have political ads out the wazoo.

mywittyname 7y ago

Yes. And there should be facilities in place to punish those who push knowingly false narratives, but that's a damn-near impossible task to achieve.

dillondoyle 7y ago

political ads have reporting and disclaimers, or minimally an attempt at transparency. Bots/propaganda online pretends to be someone else, does not proclaim the source.