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> They don't group people living with their unmarried partner with people living with a spouse? Isn't this number pretty insignificantly small? Also, not bein

> They don't group people living with their unmarried partner with people living with a spouse? Isn't this number pretty insignificantly small? Also, not being married severely complicates things like joint ownership and sharing an income, precisely the sorts of things that make buying a house easier.

nearbuy 7y ago
It's shown in the article and it's not small at all. It's the 3rd largest group after parents and spouse. 24% live with a spouse and 17% with a partner.
- big_chungus 7y ago
  Goodness gracious, I had no idea twenty-four percent of young people found it acceptable to shack up and live in sin. It is no wonder we have such cultural problems today, nor is it any wonder they are so rapidly increasing. That said, see my above comments about why you cannot treat married people amd those people the same.
  - nearbuy 7y ago
    I'm guessing this is a religious view (Christian or Muslim maybe?). Where I'm from it's both common and normal for people to never marry their lifelong partner and even raise a family together.
    - big_chungus 7y ago
      It is somewhat religious, but more in the sense that religion is important for a society. Where are you from, if I might ask? I've never heard of this idea of a "partner" until very recently (let alone fathering children out of wedlock), and this has historically been the case in America. Dropping religion from main-stream life and such a significant loss of public morality cannot be good for a society.
      - nearbuy 7y ago
        Quebec. There are two main cultures here: francophone (the majority) and anglophone. Among francophone couples, about 80% aren't married. There's no real discernible difference here between an unmarried couple and a married one. They act the same. You wouldn't be able to tell which they were unless they told you. Quebec used to be religiously catholic. However, the church kept the people down and kept them poor and in the early 60s, the people rebelled against the church and secularized. Quebec today isn't perfect (no place is), but things are much better now than they were under the catholic church.
        big_chungus 7y ago
        Interesting; thanks for the information. However, note that you mentioned Quebec stayed mostly monogamous over the long term. In America, we're already seeing that this is not the case. Society at large seems to be following the trends best exhibited by dating sites: top 80% women competing for top 20% men, and bottom 80% of men competing for bottom 20% of women. Combine this with the fact that in a few years women will have 70% or so of the masters' degrees, and this will further draw them to that 20-30% of men. Such a situation leads to a lot of very angry incels, which is a recipe for societal destabilization. The typical solution has been a war to kill of a bunch of those, unless a plague did it first. Personally, I think the government ought not to enforce religion or morality. However, it can be very important for society to do so.

nearbuy 7y ago

It's shown in the article and it's not small at all. It's the 3rd largest group after parents and spouse. 24% live with a spouse and 17% with a partner.

big_chungus 7y ago
Goodness gracious, I had no idea twenty-four percent of young people found it acceptable to shack up and live in sin. It is no wonder we have such cultural problems today, nor is it any wonder they are so rapidly increasing. That said, see my above comments about why you cannot treat married people amd those people the same.
- nearbuy 7y ago
  I'm guessing this is a religious view (Christian or Muslim maybe?). Where I'm from it's both common and normal for people to never marry their lifelong partner and even raise a family together.
  - big_chungus 7y ago
    It is somewhat religious, but more in the sense that religion is important for a society. Where are you from, if I might ask? I've never heard of this idea of a "partner" until very recently (let alone fathering children out of wedlock), and this has historically been the case in America. Dropping religion from main-stream life and such a significant loss of public morality cannot be good for a society.
    - nearbuy 7y ago
      Quebec. There are two main cultures here: francophone (the majority) and anglophone. Among francophone couples, about 80% aren't married. There's no real discernible difference here between an unmarried couple and a married one. They act the same. You wouldn't be able to tell which they were unless they told you. Quebec used to be religiously catholic. However, the church kept the people down and kept them poor and in the early 60s, the people rebelled against the church and secularized. Quebec today isn't perfect (no place is), but things are much better now than they were under the catholic church.
      - big_chungus 7y ago
        Interesting; thanks for the information. However, note that you mentioned Quebec stayed mostly monogamous over the long term. In America, we're already seeing that this is not the case. Society at large seems to be following the trends best exhibited by dating sites: top 80% women competing for top 20% men, and bottom 80% of men competing for bottom 20% of women. Combine this with the fact that in a few years women will have 70% or so of the masters' degrees, and this will further draw them to that 20-30% of men. Such a situation leads to a lot of very angry incels, which is a recipe for societal destabilization. The typical solution has been a war to kill of a bunch of those, unless a plague did it first. Personally, I think the government ought not to enforce religion or morality. However, it can be very important for society to do so.