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Consider that in the context of the first hand account from the person who got fired. https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg

Consider that in the context of the first hand account from the person who got fired. https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg USA Today, FOX, CNN, *NBC are not sources of information. They are wings of power centers. It's best to think of them as perception managment platforms. If you read them, purely looking for things you can actually check, fine. But realize thay are not even remotely neutral and they lie just as much as the average political figure. Real windows are not for public consumption. Skippy's email (32795) for example.

Jeff_Brown 7y ago
Agreed about checking. I'd like to check this claim but don't know how: "His dismissal had been sought not just by Mr. Biden, but also by others in the Obama administration, as well other Western governments and international lenders. Mr. Shokin had been repeatedly accused of turning a blind eye to corruption in his office and among the Ukrainian political elite, and criticized for failing to bring corruption cases." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/us/politics/biden-ukraine-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/us/politics/biden-ukraine...
- jakeogh 7y ago
  NYT great example. Note how they dont source the claim. The reader is not expected to even wonder if there is a source. It's worded as if the sentence itself is the source. A curious reader would need to contact Kenneth Vogel directly. If history is a guide, the response it something about "backgound sources with information about the matter". Or start searching archives for Shokin. It's common to use hit pieces to attack people problems. Again though, consider that claim in context with the first hand account from the person that got fired: https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg Who is Joe Biden's son? Why would that company hire him? And what is the NTY? IMO thinking of it as a newspaper is like thinking of Google as a search engine: https://i.imgur.com/VUdcIou.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VUdcIou.jpg https://gawker.com/here-are-some-top-n-y-times-editors-and-staff-joking-a-1713336525 https://gawker.com/here-are-some-top-n-y-times-editors-and-s...
  - Jeff_Brown 7y ago
    I'm not convinced by the prosecutor's testimony. Convincing would be records of what his office did. Hunter Biden is a lawyer who had previously been on the board of Amtrak. I'm sure the political connections helped.

Jeff_Brown 7y ago

Agreed about checking. I'd like to check this claim but don't know how: "His dismissal had been sought not just by Mr. Biden, but also by others in the Obama administration, as well other Western governments and international lenders. Mr. Shokin had been repeatedly accused of turning a blind eye to corruption in his office and among the Ukrainian political elite, and criticized for failing to bring corruption cases." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/us/politics/biden-ukraine-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/us/politics/biden-ukraine...

jakeogh 7y ago
NYT great example. Note how they dont source the claim. The reader is not expected to even wonder if there is a source. It's worded as if the sentence itself is the source. A curious reader would need to contact Kenneth Vogel directly. If history is a guide, the response it something about "backgound sources with information about the matter". Or start searching archives for Shokin. It's common to use hit pieces to attack people problems. Again though, consider that claim in context with the first hand account from the person that got fired: https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg Who is Joe Biden's son? Why would that company hire him? And what is the NTY? IMO thinking of it as a newspaper is like thinking of Google as a search engine: https://i.imgur.com/VUdcIou.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VUdcIou.jpg https://gawker.com/here-are-some-top-n-y-times-editors-and-staff-joking-a-1713336525 https://gawker.com/here-are-some-top-n-y-times-editors-and-s...
- Jeff_Brown 7y ago
  I'm not convinced by the prosecutor's testimony. Convincing would be records of what his office did. Hunter Biden is a lawyer who had previously been on the board of Amtrak. I'm sure the political connections helped.