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- jakeogh 7y agoBiden's exact words: "if the prosecutor's not fired, you're not gettin' the money"
- Jeff_Brown 7y agoAccording to who?
- jakeogh 7y agoBiden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urTk6O4c0mU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urTk6O4c0mU https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg
- Jeff_Brown 7y agoInteresting. Yup, looks like that happened. The question then is whether it was improper. I haven't done a huge amount of research but here's what USA Today says: "Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI. Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau. The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what...
- jakeogh 7y agoConsider that in the context of the first hand account from the person who got fired. https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg USA Today, FOX, CNN, *NBC are not sources of information. They are wings of power centers. It's best to think of them as perception managment platforms. If you read them, purely looking for things you can actually check, fine. But realize thay are not even remotely neutral and they lie just as much as the average political figure. Real windows are not for public consumption. Skippy's email (32795) for example.
- Jeff_Brown 7y agoAgreed about checking. I'd like to check this claim but don't know how: "His dismissal had been sought not just by Mr. Biden, but also by others in the Obama administration, as well other Western governments and international lenders. Mr. Shokin had been repeatedly accused of turning a blind eye to corruption in his office and among the Ukrainian political elite, and criticized for failing to bring corruption cases." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/us/politics/biden-ukraine-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/us/politics/biden-ukraine...
- jakeogh 7y agoNYT great example. Note how they dont source the claim. The reader is not expected to even wonder if there is a source. It's worded as if the sentence itself is the source. A curious reader would need to contact Kenneth Vogel directly. If history is a guide, the response it something about "backgound sources with information about the matter". Or start searching archives for Shokin. It's common to use hit pieces to attack people problems. Again though, consider that claim in context with the first hand account from the person that got fired: https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg https://i.redd.it/wp66quhos4p31.jpg Who is Joe Biden's son? Why would that company hire him? And what is the NTY? IMO thinking of it as a newspaper is like thinking of Google as a search engine: https://i.imgur.com/VUdcIou.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VUdcIou.jpg https://gawker.com/here-are-some-top-n-y-times-editors-and-staff-joking-a-1713336525 https://gawker.com/here-are-some-top-n-y-times-editors-and-s...