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It's called "Telescreen" and will be soon available.

by slig 7y ago

onli 7y ago
It's called laptop, smartphone and smart tv, is already available and we do know it's already watched and listened to.
- jachee 7y ago
  Got any sources to cite for that watching and listening? Specifically Apple-related and North American examples?
  - onli 7y ago
    It's hard to take that question serious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#Extent_of_the_program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#E... explains why. Snowden leaked it years ago now. There is even a scene about that in the movie. And Apple-related? North American? That's not relevant at all.
    - jachee 7y ago
      It's relevant to what I want to see. You boldly claimed that the government is observing me in my home through my devices, and I want you to show your work. PRISM happens at the ISP level, and doesn't mention directly using iPhones, Macs, HomePods or tv as surveillance endpoints... So, where's your proof showing that they're surveilling US Citizens through those specific devices?
      - onli 7y ago
        Have a look at https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/06/phone-camera-microphone-spying https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/06/phone-.... https://www.cultofmac.com/260213/nsa-spyware-allegedly-gives-backdoor-access-iphones/ https://www.cultofmac.com/260213/nsa-spyware-allegedly-gives..., linked in there, talks even specifically about iPhones.
  - bduerst 7y ago
    >Specifically Apple-related and North American examples? That's an oddly narrow goalpost. Apple shares user encryption keys with the Chinese government, for example, giving the Chinese government access to all iCloud pictures, messages, documents, videos, etc.
    - girvo 7y ago
      Do they? Shit, I thought that they’d set things up that sharing the key was extremely difficult if not impossible without access to the device? That’s disappointing if true, is there a good article on this?
      - eitland 7y ago
        AFAIK this is only true for Chinese citizens or people who bought their phone in China or something but it is still scary.
        bduerst 7y ago
        Yep, Chinese users only. The odd part is that the internet blew up at Google for even proposing it and later cancelling it with project Dragonfly (also only for Chinese users), but Apple quietly went ahead and just did it without many people noticing.
    - jki275 7y ago
      That’s not accurate at all.
      - bduerst 7y ago
        In early 2018, Apple forced their users to opt-in to migrating iCloud encryption keys and data to Chinese data centers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insight/apple-moves-to-store-icloud-keys-in-china-raising-human-rights-fears-idUSKCN1G8060 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh... Chinese government nationalized the data centers six months later, gaining access to all the encryption keys and user iCloud data at rest: https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-data/#ahDzcDZPeiqd https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-d...
- pcdoodle 7y ago
  ^^^ Source Please.
  - geggam 7y ago
    hey alexa !
  - throwiay789 7y ago
    did you just forget about snowden?
  - inanutshellus 7y ago
    How about the (now former) head of the FBI recommending we cover our front-facing cameras? https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/23/the-fbi-recommends-you-cover-your-laptops-webcam-good-reasons/ https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/23/the-fbi-recommends-you-c... and, mostly because it's mentioned in the engadget article: https://twitter.com/topherolson/status/745294977064828929/photo/1 https://twitter.com/topherolson/status/745294977064828929/ph...
sixstringtheory 7y ago
You mean Portal? https://portal.facebook.com https://portal.facebook.com
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  Call me crazy but I'm thinking of buying one. The fact it has a camera cover and a microphone switch is enough to make me comfortable. I'm just waiting to find out if it's a software switch or hardware switch.
  - ohithereyou 7y ago
    Should be pretty easy to install your own hardware switch.
    - RankingMember 7y ago
      The way electronics are put together today (lots of glue, e.g. the Surface Book) I'm not so sure about how easy that'd be.
lacker 7y ago
because nobody seemed to get the reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen
bilbo0s 7y ago
Doesn't everyone want to catch guys like this [1]? If not, you're a bad guy and we can discount any argument you put forth am I right? Am I right? High five? Anyone? Anyone? Point being that the enemies privacy have been waging an extremely successful propaganda war against our position for longer than most privacy advocates have been alive. A campaign that is at once massive and specially calibrated to go unnoticed. (How many connect the 'Telescreen' to the example in [1] in their minds?) They have the power to ensure that hand picked, specific examples, calibrated to inflame, are used as flag bearers in the zeitgeist. They have a long game of very specific goals, coupled with an army of natural language, behavioral psychology, and media experts all dedicated to that singular purpose. They have decades of experience at manipulating populations at scale, and a track record replete with successes. Meanwhile, we sit on HN and social media talking to each other about how our side will be proven right in the end. You know, 'cuz "freedoms". We have to start addressing the legitimate points that government and law enforcement types are making, because not doing so cedes more and more ground in public behavior and public opinion to those enemies of privacy. The great irony here is that we ourselves have helped them manage to cast themselves in the public eye as the "champions of safety", due largely to the poorly chosen nature of our bedfellows. We need to start getting out in front of a lot of the legitimate arguments that law enforcement is making, and we need to push back against professionally subtle narratives in the national media that attempt to attach us to yet more unsavory bedfellows. ---- [1] - https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/woman-assaulted-boyfriend-doorbell-camera/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/woman-assaulted-boyfriend-...

It's called "Telescreen" and will be soon available.

by slig 7y ago

It's called "Telescreen" and will be soon available.

onli 7y ago

It's called laptop, smartphone and smart tv, is already available and we do know it's already watched and listened to.

jachee 7y ago
Got any sources to cite for that watching and listening? Specifically Apple-related and North American examples?
- onli 7y ago
  It's hard to take that question serious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#Extent_of_the_program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#E... explains why. Snowden leaked it years ago now. There is even a scene about that in the movie. And Apple-related? North American? That's not relevant at all.
  - jachee 7y ago
    It's relevant to what I want to see. You boldly claimed that the government is observing me in my home through my devices, and I want you to show your work. PRISM happens at the ISP level, and doesn't mention directly using iPhones, Macs, HomePods or tv as surveillance endpoints... So, where's your proof showing that they're surveilling US Citizens through those specific devices?
    - onli 7y ago
      Have a look at https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/06/phone-camera-microphone-spying https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/06/phone-.... https://www.cultofmac.com/260213/nsa-spyware-allegedly-gives-backdoor-access-iphones/ https://www.cultofmac.com/260213/nsa-spyware-allegedly-gives..., linked in there, talks even specifically about iPhones.
- bduerst 7y ago
  >Specifically Apple-related and North American examples? That's an oddly narrow goalpost. Apple shares user encryption keys with the Chinese government, for example, giving the Chinese government access to all iCloud pictures, messages, documents, videos, etc.
  - girvo 7y ago
    Do they? Shit, I thought that they’d set things up that sharing the key was extremely difficult if not impossible without access to the device? That’s disappointing if true, is there a good article on this?
    - eitland 7y ago
      AFAIK this is only true for Chinese citizens or people who bought their phone in China or something but it is still scary.
      - bduerst 7y ago
        Yep, Chinese users only. The odd part is that the internet blew up at Google for even proposing it and later cancelling it with project Dragonfly (also only for Chinese users), but Apple quietly went ahead and just did it without many people noticing.
  - jki275 7y ago
    That’s not accurate at all.
    - bduerst 7y ago
      In early 2018, Apple forced their users to opt-in to migrating iCloud encryption keys and data to Chinese data centers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insight/apple-moves-to-store-icloud-keys-in-china-raising-human-rights-fears-idUSKCN1G8060 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh... Chinese government nationalized the data centers six months later, gaining access to all the encryption keys and user iCloud data at rest: https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-data/#ahDzcDZPeiqd https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-d...
pcdoodle 7y ago
^^^ Source Please.
- geggam 7y ago
  hey alexa !
- throwiay789 7y ago
  did you just forget about snowden?
- inanutshellus 7y ago
  How about the (now former) head of the FBI recommending we cover our front-facing cameras? https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/23/the-fbi-recommends-you-cover-your-laptops-webcam-good-reasons/ https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/23/the-fbi-recommends-you-c... and, mostly because it's mentioned in the engadget article: https://twitter.com/topherolson/status/745294977064828929/photo/1 https://twitter.com/topherolson/status/745294977064828929/ph...

sixstringtheory 7y ago

You mean Portal? https://portal.facebook.com https://portal.facebook.com

cameronbrown 7y ago
Call me crazy but I'm thinking of buying one. The fact it has a camera cover and a microphone switch is enough to make me comfortable. I'm just waiting to find out if it's a software switch or hardware switch.
- ohithereyou 7y ago
  Should be pretty easy to install your own hardware switch.
  - RankingMember 7y ago
    The way electronics are put together today (lots of glue, e.g. the Surface Book) I'm not so sure about how easy that'd be.

lacker 7y ago

because nobody seemed to get the reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen

bilbo0s 7y ago

Doesn't everyone want to catch guys like this [1]? If not, you're a bad guy and we can discount any argument you put forth am I right? Am I right? High five? Anyone? Anyone? Point being that the enemies privacy have been waging an extremely successful propaganda war against our position for longer than most privacy advocates have been alive. A campaign that is at once massive and specially calibrated to go unnoticed. (How many connect the 'Telescreen' to the example in [1] in their minds?) They have the power to ensure that hand picked, specific examples, calibrated to inflame, are used as flag bearers in the zeitgeist. They have a long game of very specific goals, coupled with an army of natural language, behavioral psychology, and media experts all dedicated to that singular purpose. They have decades of experience at manipulating populations at scale, and a track record replete with successes. Meanwhile, we sit on HN and social media talking to each other about how our side will be proven right in the end. You know, 'cuz "freedoms". We have to start addressing the legitimate points that government and law enforcement types are making, because not doing so cedes more and more ground in public behavior and public opinion to those enemies of privacy. The great irony here is that we ourselves have helped them manage to cast themselves in the public eye as the "champions of safety", due largely to the poorly chosen nature of our bedfellows. We need to start getting out in front of a lot of the legitimate arguments that law enforcement is making, and we need to push back against professionally subtle narratives in the national media that attempt to attach us to yet more unsavory bedfellows. ---- [1] - https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/woman-assaulted-boyfriend-doorbell-camera/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/woman-assaulted-boyfriend-...