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You mean, should free advertising-subsidized services even exist?

• thenewnewguy 7y ago
  Mining and storing user data is in no way a requirement to run ads.
  • bduerst 7y ago
    So using data for optimization should be banned?
    • thenewnewguy 7y ago
      Obvious false equivalence. Just because we protect collecting/using certain data in certain contexts where we believe it does more harm than good doesn't mean we have to ban all data collection/use.
      • bduerst 7y ago
        You specifically stipulated that the data optimization was bad - then why is data optimization of ads harmful? Doesn't serving relevant ads have more utility?
        • thenewnewguy 7y ago
          I made no such claim. You acted like tracking users was required to run an ad-based website, I pointed out that running ads does not require tracking users. I am not sure if I'd be willing to make the argument we should ban (as in make illegal) collection of user data, but acting like such data is required to run ads is ridiculous.
• tomc1985 7y ago
  As if this were the only way to support such a service... How about we techies stop kissing ass to the advertising execs and stand up to them for once?? They want more data, more relevant ads, more more more more more. Their ask is impossible without massive invasions of privacy. Fuck them, I say Return to scattershot ads, they can understand me as an audience without having to mine every ounce of my life for it. That approach will produce more relevant ads for me anyway