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Question for those more knowledgeable than I in this space: a huge value prop for iMessage is E2E encryption, correct? Why hasn't that gotten similar response f

Question for those more knowledgeable than I in this space: a huge value prop for iMessage is E2E encryption, correct? Why hasn't that gotten similar response from the AG? (OR has it already, and I may have missed it?)

mikhailt 7y ago
They did go after Apple, remember the FBI vs. Apple court cases about forcing Apple to backdoor the entire OS to get to the user's data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d... As for Facebook, it is more likely because Facebook is in "progress" of enabling E2E and they have more users than Apple right now. It is easier to hit Facebook now than later unlike in the case of Apple that already implemented it from the start; it would go into court litigation for several years and most likely end up in Supreme Court. Barr is just assuming FB will cave in. PS: No, a huge value prop for iMessages is that it's built into iOS and any iPhone user can talk to another iPhone user, not because of E2E. Most users aren't aware of what E2E is.
nuclear_eclipse 7y ago
Most likely because a) it happened well before current administration and AG, and b) because Apple didn't saying anything until after it had already been done, rather than declaring intentions and giving the AG plenty of time to draft ridiculous letters.
dragonwriter 7y ago
> Question for those more knowledgeable than I in this space: a huge value prop for iMessage is E2E encryption, correct? Why hasn't that gotten similar response from the AG? Because when Apple was preparing it, it wasn’t public about it, and the then-sitting AG wasn't looking to generate news articles with his name that weren't attached to his role in acts fueling an imminent Presidential impeachment, so no similar warning note.
sigmar 7y ago
I'd like to contrast with the other responses here by offering my suspicion that Apple is cooperating with governments to quietly swap out keys for users upon receiving a court order. It would explain why Skype was banned by China and iMessage was not.
- ub 7y ago
  This. Apple cooperates a lot with law enforcement than they let out. While they make a big deal about on-device security, iCLoud which most users turn on is the loophole. Apple turns in backup content when asked much more willingly.
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mikhailt 7y ago

They did go after Apple, remember the FBI vs. Apple court cases about forcing Apple to backdoor the entire OS to get to the user's data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d... As for Facebook, it is more likely because Facebook is in "progress" of enabling E2E and they have more users than Apple right now. It is easier to hit Facebook now than later unlike in the case of Apple that already implemented it from the start; it would go into court litigation for several years and most likely end up in Supreme Court. Barr is just assuming FB will cave in. PS: No, a huge value prop for iMessages is that it's built into iOS and any iPhone user can talk to another iPhone user, not because of E2E. Most users aren't aware of what E2E is.

nuclear_eclipse 7y ago

Most likely because a) it happened well before current administration and AG, and b) because Apple didn't saying anything until after it had already been done, rather than declaring intentions and giving the AG plenty of time to draft ridiculous letters.

dragonwriter 7y ago

> Question for those more knowledgeable than I in this space: a huge value prop for iMessage is E2E encryption, correct? Why hasn't that gotten similar response from the AG? Because when Apple was preparing it, it wasn’t public about it, and the then-sitting AG wasn't looking to generate news articles with his name that weren't attached to his role in acts fueling an imminent Presidential impeachment, so no similar warning note.

sigmar 7y ago

I'd like to contrast with the other responses here by offering my suspicion that Apple is cooperating with governments to quietly swap out keys for users upon receiving a court order. It would explain why Skype was banned by China and iMessage was not.

ub 7y ago
This. Apple cooperates a lot with law enforcement than they let out. While they make a big deal about on-device security, iCLoud which most users turn on is the loophole. Apple turns in backup content when asked much more willingly.

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