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I remember a time I worked with a team not using the agile process. We were agile. When I worked in teams following the agile process, we were rigid. Agile sh
by hirako2000 7y ago
I remember a time I worked with a team not using the agile process.
We were agile.
When I worked in teams following the agile process, we were rigid.
Agile shouldn't be a process, mgt see it as such. It becomes a process. Clever engineers hate poorly thought out processes. Agile as a process is a contradiction in itself.
Agile is no process. Let the team find their ways and iterate as often as possible, along with a few other proven principles.
Points becomes estimates for managers, they will see it as such and build huge waterfall projects documents to track everthing, and they will pressure teams to deliver shitty software when they feel the stories are sand bagged.
Strange world we live in.
- mikestew 7y agoI remember a time I worked with a team not using the agile process. We were agile. When I worked in teams following the agile process, we were rigid. "The Agile that can be named is not the true Agile."[0] I'm not being entirely facetious. [0]https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tao https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tao
- jerf 7y agoI think that's pretty close to the truth. Like the Tao, you can point at instances of it, i.e., you can point to a particular team and the processes it is today using, and that is agile. But it is not Agile. On this same team I'm on, I've used different process a year ago, and two years ago, and now, and almost certainly in a year and two years. Those specific processes aren't Agile... but they were each agile, because we're constantly re-evaluating how we're working and what we're doing, and tuning our processes to match the environment we're in. If you take my agile process and just blindly apply it to your team, regardless of what that process is, that's not Agile. The grass of the field does not become a bird by shaping itself into wings.
- chris11 7y agoI am more comfortable with a company talking about how agile they are if the teams are able change processes when and how they want to.