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> [W]hen I'm using my phone, I don't want to tinker with it, I want it to just work, and my iPhone does exactly that. Someone has made a bunch of intelligent de

> [W]hen I'm using my phone, I don't want to tinker with it, I want it to just work, and my iPhone does exactly that. Someone has made a bunch of intelligent design decisions about the way things work— much better than with android phones— So you consider an iPhone works so much better and its design is so much better than Android phones that you allow Apple to choose what you can install? I hope you never end in a situation like in Hong Kong where freedom matters more than design.

Analemma_ 7y ago
If you think the fact that your phone runs Android is going to save you if and when the government crackdown comes, I have some bad news for you.
- retpirato 7y ago
  you realize android has custom ROMs, right? IOS doesn't.
gbanfalvi 7y ago
> So you consider an iPhone works so much better and its design is so much better than Android phones that you allow Apple to choose what you can install? Yeah. Lots of people do. Giving up control means a lot, I get it. However I give up control with loads of devices, appliances and services every day. In exchange I expect my iPhone, my gmail account and my Samsung TV to make my life easier. They (hopefully) can’t read my mind, so my choices will always lie on a spectrum between: Taking all control, but having to do all the work myself vs. giving up control (and risk being betrayed) but not having to do the work. > I hope you never end in a situation like in Hong Kong where freedom matters more than design. Absolutely, but I wouldn’t trust most alternatives out there either. I honestly don’t know what I’d do in that case.
hoi 7y ago
Actually, it's a trade off. How much freedom vs how much control. A prime example is government regulators, they are there to 'protect ' consumers vs pure freedom of capital ventures. Pure unadulterated freedom never exists because one persons freedom can trample on another persons, e.g the freedom to be racist

Analemma_ 7y ago

If you think the fact that your phone runs Android is going to save you if and when the government crackdown comes, I have some bad news for you.

retpirato 7y ago
you realize android has custom ROMs, right? IOS doesn't.

gbanfalvi 7y ago

> So you consider an iPhone works so much better and its design is so much better than Android phones that you allow Apple to choose what you can install? Yeah. Lots of people do. Giving up control means a lot, I get it. However I give up control with loads of devices, appliances and services every day. In exchange I expect my iPhone, my gmail account and my Samsung TV to make my life easier. They (hopefully) can’t read my mind, so my choices will always lie on a spectrum between: Taking all control, but having to do all the work myself vs. giving up control (and risk being betrayed) but not having to do the work. > I hope you never end in a situation like in Hong Kong where freedom matters more than design. Absolutely, but I wouldn’t trust most alternatives out there either. I honestly don’t know what I’d do in that case.

hoi 7y ago

Actually, it's a trade off. How much freedom vs how much control. A prime example is government regulators, they are there to 'protect ' consumers vs pure freedom of capital ventures. Pure unadulterated freedom never exists because one persons freedom can trample on another persons, e.g the freedom to be racist