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How about tens of thousands of dollars? How about hundreds? Millions? Tens of millions? Does that matter? "In finance, you will be fighting against transparenc

by sskates 16y ago

How about tens of thousands of dollars? How about hundreds? Millions? Tens of millions? Does that matter? "In finance, you will be fighting against transparency for the sake of maintaining profits" - not sure what you mean by this, if you could please clarify

zmitri 16y ago
Tens of millions maybe to some, but honestly the percentage of people making that is low and it takes years and years to get up there. Even then, waiting 15 years to make a million won't have the same affect on everyone. Have you read Tony Hsieh's book after he sold LinkExchange: he could either sit around for a year and collect his ~40 million just by showing up and not doing anything, or he could leave early, and take less. He left early and took the cut in pay. I'm sure he made the right choice. Banks don't make a lot of money from equities, they make a lot of money from over the counter (OTC) markets. These don't trade on an exchange, they are traded via phone calls and bloomberg emails. Banks try to keep pricing information as close to the chest as they can so that they can keep a wide bid ask spread (meaning they buy low, and sell for higher, and not because of appreciation or financial performance). Banks make money by offering 2 way markets (like a book keeper would) so the less transparent they are with their pricing, they more likely they are to be able to increase the bid ask margin. They don't have to disclose prices, and the traders can mark the bonds at almost whatever price they see fit, even if the price they have is super stale. Not only that, no one really knows what some of these complicated securities are really worth. As someone who comes from a science background, I was shocked to learn that "research reports" are more like marketing/advertising and they are not allowed to publish a negative outlook. In my opinion, it's a messed up system and I don't want younger hackers thinking its a cool thing to do.

by sskates 16y ago

zmitri 16y ago

Tens of millions maybe to some, but honestly the percentage of people making that is low and it takes years and years to get up there. Even then, waiting 15 years to make a million won't have the same affect on everyone. Have you read Tony Hsieh's book after he sold LinkExchange: he could either sit around for a year and collect his ~40 million just by showing up and not doing anything, or he could leave early, and take less. He left early and took the cut in pay. I'm sure he made the right choice. Banks don't make a lot of money from equities, they make a lot of money from over the counter (OTC) markets. These don't trade on an exchange, they are traded via phone calls and bloomberg emails. Banks try to keep pricing information as close to the chest as they can so that they can keep a wide bid ask spread (meaning they buy low, and sell for higher, and not because of appreciation or financial performance). Banks make money by offering 2 way markets (like a book keeper would) so the less transparent they are with their pricing, they more likely they are to be able to increase the bid ask margin. They don't have to disclose prices, and the traders can mark the bonds at almost whatever price they see fit, even if the price they have is super stale. Not only that, no one really knows what some of these complicated securities are really worth. As someone who comes from a science background, I was shocked to learn that "research reports" are more like marketing/advertising and they are not allowed to publish a negative outlook. In my opinion, it's a messed up system and I don't want younger hackers thinking its a cool thing to do.