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Then what would you accept as proof/evidence ?

by matz1 7y ago

JohnFen 7y ago
A couple of solid independent studies would go a long way.
- candiodari 7y ago
  Okay ... half of experimental psychology papers are about giving people some small amount of money, or even just some token or just a chance to tell their story for filling out a questionnaire, sometimes extra credit is involved, or incarceration is involved (in psychiatric care) which is where I start having serious ethical problems with it. Questionnaires where they reveal things, often associated with at least a way to contact them for an interview, but sometimes with name and everything, usually is psychiatric settings (where people are often incarcerated without any proof, trial or any of that I might add). Things like whether they stole from their employer. Whether they ever used violence to obtain sex. They often ask children, homeless, prisoners, patients ... other groups with perceived or real precarious situations. (things that would never pass an ethical review board for, say, medicine) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.5694/j.1326-5377.2005.tb07082.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.5694/j.1326-5377.... https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.91.10.1679 https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.91.1... https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1991-07467-001 https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1991-07467-001 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1020007004436 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1020007004436 So yes, I would say that a lot of people are willing to give up a LOT more privacy than a face picture for a small reward.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    I never claimed people weren't willing to trade privacy for some benefit. I think most people (including myself, if the cost/benefit is favorable to me) are. But the fact that that's true doesn't mean that people don't care about privacy. You could even argue that it's indicative that people do care about privacy, as they attach a material value to it. This isn't an argument that I'm really making, but it isn't an unreasonable one.
    - candiodari 7y ago
      What is claimed here is not that nobody values privacy. The only claim is that large amounts of people, some from "vulnerable" groups, would trade privacy for a small reward. The article alleges this only happened because they were lied to.

Then what would you accept as proof/evidence ?

by matz1 7y ago

Then what would you accept as proof/evidence ?

JohnFen 7y ago

A couple of solid independent studies would go a long way.

candiodari 7y ago
Okay ... half of experimental psychology papers are about giving people some small amount of money, or even just some token or just a chance to tell their story for filling out a questionnaire, sometimes extra credit is involved, or incarceration is involved (in psychiatric care) which is where I start having serious ethical problems with it. Questionnaires where they reveal things, often associated with at least a way to contact them for an interview, but sometimes with name and everything, usually is psychiatric settings (where people are often incarcerated without any proof, trial or any of that I might add). Things like whether they stole from their employer. Whether they ever used violence to obtain sex. They often ask children, homeless, prisoners, patients ... other groups with perceived or real precarious situations. (things that would never pass an ethical review board for, say, medicine) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.5694/j.1326-5377.2005.tb07082.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.5694/j.1326-5377.... https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.91.10.1679 https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.91.1... https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1991-07467-001 https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1991-07467-001 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1020007004436 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1020007004436 So yes, I would say that a lot of people are willing to give up a LOT more privacy than a face picture for a small reward.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  I never claimed people weren't willing to trade privacy for some benefit. I think most people (including myself, if the cost/benefit is favorable to me) are. But the fact that that's true doesn't mean that people don't care about privacy. You could even argue that it's indicative that people do care about privacy, as they attach a material value to it. This isn't an argument that I'm really making, but it isn't an unreasonable one.
  - candiodari 7y ago
    What is claimed here is not that nobody values privacy. The only claim is that large amounts of people, some from "vulnerable" groups, would trade privacy for a small reward. The article alleges this only happened because they were lied to.