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How ICE Picks Its Targets in the Surveillance Age

3 points by ductionist 7y ago

mandevil 7y ago
I found this article to be fascinating. I loved how the big bad bogeymen we all know (Palantir, Facebook) are mentioned a few times (Google is never even mentioned), but the anonymous organizations that many of us would never give a second thought to- Thomson-Reuters, the DMV, court records, and a bewildering variety of smaller data brokers like Appriss Safety, Vigilant Solutions, R.L. Polk etc. - are the real threats. Reverse engineering how ERO agents found and identified their targets like this is really important for showing how minimal our privacy really is.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > I loved how the big bad bogeymen we all know (Palantir, Facebook) are mentioned a few times (Google is never even mentioned), but the anonymous organizations that many of us would never give a second thought to- Thomson-Reuters, the DMV, court records Outside the HN bubble, Palantir is far less recognized as a intrusive entity from which security services might get your private info than the DMV, court records (and other already-part-of-the-government entities/processes) are... Heck Palantir is much less recognized as even a thing that exists than those other things are recognized as threats.
  - mandevil 7y ago
    Google News for top articles on Palantir shows many about some sort of IPO/fundraising round, but also: https://www.businessinsider.com/activist-group-targets-palantir-over-controversial-ice-raid-2019-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/activist-group-targets-palan... https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelposner/2019/09/12/what-companies-can-learn-from-palantir/#5a2748c216e0 https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelposner/2019/09/12/what-c... https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/9/26/20884182/palantir-ice-protests-campus-family-separation-berkeley-yale-brown https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/9/26/20884182/palantir-ice-p... https://www.businessinsider.com/mit-stanford-students-palantir-letter-ice-contracts-2019-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/mit-stanford-students-palant... https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2019/09/duke-university-ethics-in-tech-ice-drop-palantir-abolish-ice-5d912160ae4d6 https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2019/09/duke-universit... That wasn't searching for "Palantir ICE", that was a straight google news for just Palantir, and the first 20-odd hits had 5 specifically about the companies relationship to ICE. No other customer mentioned, it's all IPO and ICE.

3 points by ductionist 7y ago

I found this article to be fascinating. I loved how the big bad bogeymen we all know (Palantir, Facebook) are mentioned a few times (Google is never even mentioned), but the anonymous organizations that many of us would never give a second thought to- Thomson-Reuters, the DMV, court records, and a bewildering variety of smaller data brokers like Appriss Safety, Vigilant Solutions, R.L. Polk etc. - are the real threats. Reverse engineering how ERO agents found and identified their targets like this is really important for showing how minimal our privacy really is.

dragonwriter 7y ago
> I loved how the big bad bogeymen we all know (Palantir, Facebook) are mentioned a few times (Google is never even mentioned), but the anonymous organizations that many of us would never give a second thought to- Thomson-Reuters, the DMV, court records Outside the HN bubble, Palantir is far less recognized as a intrusive entity from which security services might get your private info than the DMV, court records (and other already-part-of-the-government entities/processes) are... Heck Palantir is much less recognized as even a thing that exists than those other things are recognized as threats.
- mandevil 7y ago
  Google News for top articles on Palantir shows many about some sort of IPO/fundraising round, but also: https://www.businessinsider.com/activist-group-targets-palantir-over-controversial-ice-raid-2019-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/activist-group-targets-palan... https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelposner/2019/09/12/what-companies-can-learn-from-palantir/#5a2748c216e0 https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelposner/2019/09/12/what-c... https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/9/26/20884182/palantir-ice-protests-campus-family-separation-berkeley-yale-brown https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/9/26/20884182/palantir-ice-p... https://www.businessinsider.com/mit-stanford-students-palantir-letter-ice-contracts-2019-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/mit-stanford-students-palant... https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2019/09/duke-university-ethics-in-tech-ice-drop-palantir-abolish-ice-5d912160ae4d6 https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2019/09/duke-universit... That wasn't searching for "Palantir ICE", that was a straight google news for just Palantir, and the first 20-odd hits had 5 specifically about the companies relationship to ICE. No other customer mentioned, it's all IPO and ICE.