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> Now your DNA is collected even if you are arrested in a demonstration and never charged. Do you have any (reliable) source confirming that ?

cm2187 7y ago
https://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2017/06/22/la-france-epinglee-par-la-cedh-pour-fichage-abusif_5149476_3214.html https://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2017/06/22/la-france-e... Le fichier Fnaeg, créé en 1998, conserve les empreintes génétiques des personnes condamnées ou « mises en cause » dans la plupart des crimes et délits relatifs aux atteintes aux biens et aux personnes, du crime contre l’humanité aux simples violences, en passant par le trafic de drogue et le proxénétisme. Translation: The Fnaeg database, created in 1998, stores DNA profiles of people sentenced or questioned, in most of the crimes and offenses related to goods or people, from crime against humanity to a simple violence, including drug trafficking or procuring.
- mytailorisrich 7y ago
  Neither that article nor the actual law put the threshold as low as 'questioned' for DNA to be stored in that database though DNA may indeed be collected to be matched against it.
  - cm2187 7y ago
    It may be an abuse of the law, but the fact is that it is common practice. First result on google: https://crabgrass.riseup.net/assets/138965/120313+manifestant+refus+ADN+relaxe.pdf https://crabgrass.riseup.net/assets/138965/120313+manifestan... Giorgos, militant anarchiste, avait été placé en garde à vue lors d’une manifestation à Montpellier en octobre 2010. Il avait été accusé par les policiers d'avoir, avec d'autres manifestants, renversé des poubelles. Une poursuite classée sans suite pour cause d’« infraction insuffisamment caractérisée ». Mais il avait eu le tort de refuser qu’on lui prélève ses empreintes génétiques et a été condamné en première instance à un mois de prison avec sursis par le tribunal correctionnel de Montpellier. Translation: Giorgos, an anarchist militant, was arrested during a demonstration in Montpellier in Oct 2010. He was accused by the police, along with other demonstrators, to have knocked over bins. The case was dismissed because the offense "was insufficiently characterized". But his fault was to refuse to have his DNA taken and was sentenced for that to a month of suspended jail term by the Montpellier court. I read similar stories in other demonstrations.
    - mytailorisrich 7y ago
      This isn't the same. We discussed collection and storage in a database. This story is about someone refusing collection, which is an offence. He was not entitled to refuse DNA collection but his DNA could not have been stored in the database unless the case met the legal threshold.
      - cm2187 7y ago
        I assumed DNA collected was systematically added, but you are right that it may not be the case.
- JeanMarcS 7y ago
  So it's not only sexual assault (that's what surprised me in the first place), ok, thanks for all clarifications.
  - cm2187 7y ago
    Well it was initially but its scope was progressively extended to include pretty much all offenses now. And is used to also solve any offense, like a robbery.

cm2187 7y ago

https://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2017/06/22/la-france-epinglee-par-la-cedh-pour-fichage-abusif_5149476_3214.html https://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2017/06/22/la-france-e... Le fichier Fnaeg, créé en 1998, conserve les empreintes génétiques des personnes condamnées ou « mises en cause » dans la plupart des crimes et délits relatifs aux atteintes aux biens et aux personnes, du crime contre l’humanité aux simples violences, en passant par le trafic de drogue et le proxénétisme. Translation: The Fnaeg database, created in 1998, stores DNA profiles of people sentenced or questioned, in most of the crimes and offenses related to goods or people, from crime against humanity to a simple violence, including drug trafficking or procuring.

mytailorisrich 7y ago
Neither that article nor the actual law put the threshold as low as 'questioned' for DNA to be stored in that database though DNA may indeed be collected to be matched against it.
- cm2187 7y ago
  It may be an abuse of the law, but the fact is that it is common practice. First result on google: https://crabgrass.riseup.net/assets/138965/120313+manifestant+refus+ADN+relaxe.pdf https://crabgrass.riseup.net/assets/138965/120313+manifestan... Giorgos, militant anarchiste, avait été placé en garde à vue lors d’une manifestation à Montpellier en octobre 2010. Il avait été accusé par les policiers d'avoir, avec d'autres manifestants, renversé des poubelles. Une poursuite classée sans suite pour cause d’« infraction insuffisamment caractérisée ». Mais il avait eu le tort de refuser qu’on lui prélève ses empreintes génétiques et a été condamné en première instance à un mois de prison avec sursis par le tribunal correctionnel de Montpellier. Translation: Giorgos, an anarchist militant, was arrested during a demonstration in Montpellier in Oct 2010. He was accused by the police, along with other demonstrators, to have knocked over bins. The case was dismissed because the offense "was insufficiently characterized". But his fault was to refuse to have his DNA taken and was sentenced for that to a month of suspended jail term by the Montpellier court. I read similar stories in other demonstrations.
  - mytailorisrich 7y ago
    This isn't the same. We discussed collection and storage in a database. This story is about someone refusing collection, which is an offence. He was not entitled to refuse DNA collection but his DNA could not have been stored in the database unless the case met the legal threshold.
    - cm2187 7y ago
      I assumed DNA collected was systematically added, but you are right that it may not be the case.
JeanMarcS 7y ago
So it's not only sexual assault (that's what surprised me in the first place), ok, thanks for all clarifications.
- cm2187 7y ago
  Well it was initially but its scope was progressively extended to include pretty much all offenses now. And is used to also solve any offense, like a robbery.