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I doubt that, but I think we're going to see more and more companies to sell off the unused blocks. Last year MIT sold off 1/2 of 18.0.0.0/8 to Amazon. It loo

I doubt that, but I think we're going to see more and more companies to sell off the unused blocks. Last year MIT sold off 1/2 of 18.0.0.0/8 to Amazon. It looks like the going rate per IP is between $20-$24 currently: https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-salesw https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-salesw

tyingq 7y ago
That's a good point...further scarcity will drive the prices to a point where selling is very attractive.
- jaimex2 7y ago
  ipv4 is the new bitcoin?
  - tyingq 7y ago
    Don't know how credible it is, but these folks were predicting the current ~$20 price goes to ~$50 over a year's time: Chart: https://www.retevia.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/IPv4-Price-Predict-poly3-24.png https://www.retevia.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/IPv4-Pric... Article: https://www.retevia.net/address-pricing-2019-and-beyond/ https://www.retevia.net/address-pricing-2019-and-beyond/
    - jaimex2 7y ago
      Yeah, I think there will be a small bubble as some try and buy all they can while we continue to transition to ipv6
- criddell 7y ago
  Has a date been set for when IPv4 will stop being routed?
  - wmf 7y ago
    No, because the Internet is a voluntary system.
    - criddell 7y ago
      Very few companies would need to decide to not interconnect with IPv4 networks before IPv4 was effectively dead. Typically, though, there's a process that they would go through before making that move. That's what I was asking about. Has anybody floated a date for IPv4 death?
      - wmf 7y ago
        Those very few influential people who make the decisions are incredibly conservative; they won't even kick criminals off the Internet without overwhelming evidence. I don't think they're even interested in discussing IPv4 sunset at this point. Rather than a date I think it would make sense to look at the traffic. When IPv4 hits, say, 1% it might make sense to turn it off. I would estimate that's decades away.
        criddell 7y ago
        Google is one of those influential companies and I could totally see them declaring that their crawler is going to stop visiting IPv4 after some date.
        guenthert 7y ago
        They would do that only once it costs them more money than they could make with the retrieved data. That's not going to happen anytime soon. You might as well wonder whether google is actually going to stop crawling IPv6 addresses (are there any significant IPv6-only servers?)
        criddell 7y ago
        That's true. However, even if they just said IPv6 destinations will be used in the ranking algorithm as a positive indicator of a site that's being actively maintained, that alone would be enough to get some people moving.
- kardos 7y ago
  It's a big gamble on when to sell though. Eventually IPv6 adoption will hit a critical mass threshold and interest in paying for IPv4 IPs will dry up.
beckler 7y ago
GE did the same thing. It sold 3.0.0.0/8 to amazon about a year ago.

tyingq 7y ago

That's a good point...further scarcity will drive the prices to a point where selling is very attractive.

jaimex2 7y ago
ipv4 is the new bitcoin?
- tyingq 7y ago
  Don't know how credible it is, but these folks were predicting the current ~$20 price goes to ~$50 over a year's time: Chart: https://www.retevia.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/IPv4-Price-Predict-poly3-24.png https://www.retevia.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/IPv4-Pric... Article: https://www.retevia.net/address-pricing-2019-and-beyond/ https://www.retevia.net/address-pricing-2019-and-beyond/
  - jaimex2 7y ago
    Yeah, I think there will be a small bubble as some try and buy all they can while we continue to transition to ipv6
criddell 7y ago
Has a date been set for when IPv4 will stop being routed?
- wmf 7y ago
  No, because the Internet is a voluntary system.
  - criddell 7y ago
    Very few companies would need to decide to not interconnect with IPv4 networks before IPv4 was effectively dead. Typically, though, there's a process that they would go through before making that move. That's what I was asking about. Has anybody floated a date for IPv4 death?
    - wmf 7y ago
      Those very few influential people who make the decisions are incredibly conservative; they won't even kick criminals off the Internet without overwhelming evidence. I don't think they're even interested in discussing IPv4 sunset at this point. Rather than a date I think it would make sense to look at the traffic. When IPv4 hits, say, 1% it might make sense to turn it off. I would estimate that's decades away.
      - criddell 7y ago
        Google is one of those influential companies and I could totally see them declaring that their crawler is going to stop visiting IPv4 after some date.
        guenthert 7y ago
        They would do that only once it costs them more money than they could make with the retrieved data. That's not going to happen anytime soon. You might as well wonder whether google is actually going to stop crawling IPv6 addresses (are there any significant IPv6-only servers?)
        criddell 7y ago
        That's true. However, even if they just said IPv6 destinations will be used in the ranking algorithm as a positive indicator of a site that's being actively maintained, that alone would be enough to get some people moving.
kardos 7y ago
It's a big gamble on when to sell though. Eventually IPv6 adoption will hit a critical mass threshold and interest in paying for IPv4 IPs will dry up.

beckler 7y ago

GE did the same thing. It sold 3.0.0.0/8 to amazon about a year ago.