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I'm sorry, I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. You say it's better now that we have walled gardens but then you make a list of all the play

I'm sorry, I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. You say it's better now that we have walled gardens but then you make a list of all the players that are circumnavigating these anyway. This to me sounds like the worse of both worlds. Some people are still doing whatever they want and at the same time we're prevented to install software from different sources. I agree that at some level it prevents everyone to do it, meaning you have to have at least some basic knowledge to do that but that doesn't seem much from a freedom/security standpoint. For the most part and for most users, those walled gardens are nice but I still think users should have the option to install whatever they want. Put on seven disclaimers about it, but let me do it since, well, I paid for that device.

Razengan 7y ago
> a list of all the players that are circumnavigating these anyway. Do note that almost all of those examples are of apps that are -NOT- delivered via the App Store.
- echelon 7y ago
  > App Store Now you're picking favorites. So the App Store is okay, but Google Play and Steam aren't? I don't own Apple devices, so I lack familiarity, but I find it hard to believe that Apple is so good this doesn't happen. Why do we put our faith in corporations to do right by us? Apple and Google do not care if users are taken advantage of as long as they don't complain in volume. Both platforms allow play to win games that are designed around extorting "whales". They knowingly allow at-risk individuals to pour thousands of dollars into games, which is an outright travesty. These companies have too much power and they're abusing it.
  - Razengan 7y ago
    > So the App Store is okay, but Google Play and Steam aren't? Apps downloaded via the App Store (and I assume Google Play) are sandboxed. Chrome on the desktop, Steam, etc. are not sandboxed. Most malicious activity is not possible from within a sandbox. For example Steam wouldn't have been able to delete the user's entire disk if it only had access to its own folder. > Why do we put our faith in corporations to do right by us? Why should we put our faith in random individual developers to do right by us? I'd rather have to trust just one corporation instead of thousands of developers who may pack up and disappear overnight. > These companies have too much power and they're abusing it. See comments above. Much of the recent malware is in apps that are not distributed via the App Store. Developers have always abused their power, and still do. "Walled gardens" check that abuse.

Razengan 7y ago

> a list of all the players that are circumnavigating these anyway. Do note that almost all of those examples are of apps that are -NOT- delivered via the App Store.

echelon 7y ago
> App Store Now you're picking favorites. So the App Store is okay, but Google Play and Steam aren't? I don't own Apple devices, so I lack familiarity, but I find it hard to believe that Apple is so good this doesn't happen. Why do we put our faith in corporations to do right by us? Apple and Google do not care if users are taken advantage of as long as they don't complain in volume. Both platforms allow play to win games that are designed around extorting "whales". They knowingly allow at-risk individuals to pour thousands of dollars into games, which is an outright travesty. These companies have too much power and they're abusing it.
- Razengan 7y ago
  > So the App Store is okay, but Google Play and Steam aren't? Apps downloaded via the App Store (and I assume Google Play) are sandboxed. Chrome on the desktop, Steam, etc. are not sandboxed. Most malicious activity is not possible from within a sandbox. For example Steam wouldn't have been able to delete the user's entire disk if it only had access to its own folder. > Why do we put our faith in corporations to do right by us? Why should we put our faith in random individual developers to do right by us? I'd rather have to trust just one corporation instead of thousands of developers who may pack up and disappear overnight. > These companies have too much power and they're abusing it. See comments above. Much of the recent malware is in apps that are not distributed via the App Store. Developers have always abused their power, and still do. "Walled gardens" check that abuse.