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Ok... this is giving me pause for thought. I programme .NET on Windows. Have done for years. Never owned an Apple device until I took my wife's old iPhone 6S a

Ok... this is giving me pause for thought. I programme .NET on Windows. Have done for years. Never owned an Apple device until I took my wife's old iPhone 6S at the start of the year. I switched from Android to Apple for a few reasons: 1. Constant spying and data-gathering for profit by Android 2. Ethics 3. I only use a handful of apps so the platform wasn't that important Apple's public stance is that they take privacy seriously. Like incredibly seriously. Above all things and stuff. And as another commenter pointed out, they told the FBI to go fish when they wanted access to a phone. That resonated with me. That told me they are a company that (appears to) genuinely believe in something other than just profit at all costs. That they may just have my interests fairly high up their agenda. This latest episode has made me rethink that. From the ground up. I understand they need to follow the law but so do the law enforcers: Have Apple been watching the footage from HK? I thought that Apple, with all the power they have, could perhaps say to the Chinese gov... "No, the app stays!" My faith in Apple has been shattered. As an aside... Apart from Librem, there isn't really any choice now. I feel like a dad here... I'm disappointed in Apple.

2muchcoffeeman 7y ago
https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ Vote with your wallet.
- _Understated_ 7y ago
  I hadn't heard of this before but it appears to still run Android :(
  - 2muchcoffeeman 7y ago
    They support the use of alternative OSes. They may also bring back a version of their OS without the G-Apps.
scoutt 7y ago
> 2. Ethics The ethic ends where the money-loss (or missing profit) begins. I don't understand why so many people are surprised when Apple (or whatever) pulls something like this. I don't mean to be rude (I don't know you, where you're from, what's your age), but I though at this point in life people would be already aware that ethics doesn't fit very much into corporatism culture. In simple words, they will (at very least) plainly lie to you in order to make you buy their products. Every one of them. Or have you ever heard a company saying "Yes, our product is inferior to the competition", "Yes, we will sell your data", "Yes, if avoiding it gives us much problem, we will side with higher powers against you" or "Yes, we're burning forests to give you cheaper burgers"? They'll picture them as nice and responsible, but at the end of the day what matter most is dollars. They'll never lose.
- _Understated_ 7y ago
  I'm from the UK in my 40s and I understand the concept of ethics and that mega-corporations are driven by money. At all costs. That being said... I suppose I let my guard down a bit and got slightly starry-eyed about Apple but I genuinely believed they saw profit in NOT being assholes like Google. That being different and taking a stand was going to make them vast sums of money. Plus, Google does not align with my vision at all and there was an Apple phone going free so I made the leap. Clearly it's all marketing and they are no different to any other mega-corp and if there is profit to be made in feeding people through a woodchipper then they'll do it... like the rest of them. *takes rose-tinted glasses off
  - scoutt 7y ago
    Well, I guess this is a chance you (all of us, actually) can profit from and learn that ethics is a convenience feature, just like the headphone jack.
  - gmiller123456 7y ago
    I genuinely believed they saw profit in NOT being assholes like Google Even Google saw profit in "don't be evil", or at least the public perception that they were trying not to be. Unfortunately, history shows that as soon as the public has no viable alternatives, evil is the way to go.
xxs 7y ago
>I thought that Apple, with all the power they have, could perhaps say to the Chinese gov... "No, the app stays!" China and Apple and (with all the power), the power discrepancies are so far in China favor that - China would just block Apple entirely and not blink. W/o China's blessing Apple won't produce a single phone... About being disappointed - Apples holds one of the most abhorable practices when it comes to repair and maintainability. For instance I still don't understand how their laptops don't have conformal coating.

2muchcoffeeman 7y ago

https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ Vote with your wallet.

_Understated_ 7y ago
I hadn't heard of this before but it appears to still run Android :(
- 2muchcoffeeman 7y ago
  They support the use of alternative OSes. They may also bring back a version of their OS without the G-Apps.

scoutt 7y ago

> 2. Ethics The ethic ends where the money-loss (or missing profit) begins. I don't understand why so many people are surprised when Apple (or whatever) pulls something like this. I don't mean to be rude (I don't know you, where you're from, what's your age), but I though at this point in life people would be already aware that ethics doesn't fit very much into corporatism culture. In simple words, they will (at very least) plainly lie to you in order to make you buy their products. Every one of them. Or have you ever heard a company saying "Yes, our product is inferior to the competition", "Yes, we will sell your data", "Yes, if avoiding it gives us much problem, we will side with higher powers against you" or "Yes, we're burning forests to give you cheaper burgers"? They'll picture them as nice and responsible, but at the end of the day what matter most is dollars. They'll never lose.

_Understated_ 7y ago
I'm from the UK in my 40s and I understand the concept of ethics and that mega-corporations are driven by money. At all costs. That being said... I suppose I let my guard down a bit and got slightly starry-eyed about Apple but I genuinely believed they saw profit in NOT being assholes like Google. That being different and taking a stand was going to make them vast sums of money. Plus, Google does not align with my vision at all and there was an Apple phone going free so I made the leap. Clearly it's all marketing and they are no different to any other mega-corp and if there is profit to be made in feeding people through a woodchipper then they'll do it... like the rest of them. *takes rose-tinted glasses off
- scoutt 7y ago
  Well, I guess this is a chance you (all of us, actually) can profit from and learn that ethics is a convenience feature, just like the headphone jack.
- gmiller123456 7y ago
  I genuinely believed they saw profit in NOT being assholes like Google Even Google saw profit in "don't be evil", or at least the public perception that they were trying not to be. Unfortunately, history shows that as soon as the public has no viable alternatives, evil is the way to go.

xxs 7y ago

>I thought that Apple, with all the power they have, could perhaps say to the Chinese gov... "No, the app stays!" China and Apple and (with all the power), the power discrepancies are so far in China favor that - China would just block Apple entirely and not blink. W/o China's blessing Apple won't produce a single phone... About being disappointed - Apples holds one of the most abhorable practices when it comes to repair and maintainability. For instance I still don't understand how their laptops don't have conformal coating.