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If cubes for software engineers are such a bad idea why does Google (so I've heard) swear by them?

by waqf 16y ago

InclinedPlane 16y ago
Because Google isn't perfect. Is that a good enough reason?
- waqf 16y ago
  Not for the way I intended the question: imagine for example that I'm a Google stockholder.
hugh3 16y ago
Well for starters, the alternative of giving everyone a private office is really really expensive. Especially if you're also (like me) a believer in the idea that offices should have windows. I had my own windowless office for a year or so, and it was a really depressing environment in which to work -- I much prefer my current two-person office with a view. The other point is that while an individual programmer might be more productive when he's alone in a room, a group might be more productive if they're all in the same room together. No point in having everyone write twice as much code per day if the code no longer fits together and nobody has any idea what everybody else is doing. How much of a programmer's time is actually spent sitting down in full-on focus mode belting out lines of code?
- zeemonkee 16y ago
  Of course a cheaper option is to allow remote working to those who want it, at least for most days of the week. Use the office for client meetings and the occasional get-together. That way I get to have my private office with a window, coffee machine, private snack bar, XBox console and anything else I want, and it doesn't cost you a penny. Besides, groups of developers in large open source projects, distributed around the world, seem to manage fine.
  - jamii 16y ago
    On the other hand, being in the same room all day all week can be incredibly depressing. I've done it in the past and prefer any kind of office to working at home for extended periods.
- fvschie 16y ago
  Ensuring the code fits together is an activity that happens before you start coding. If a fellow programmer creates a function and then discusses with me how to integrate this, every single time, I'm not going to get any work done. People can only work in groups when you divvy the work up between them, or if the group all focusses on one thing (one guy holds the fencepole up, the other whacks it with a hammer. One guy codes, the other guy checks the code. Etc). The little full-on focus mode I get is spent on working out which code I need to put where. The remainder, simple code-monkey work, can be done in a normally focussed manner. Constant integration with everyone else's work destroys all focus.
skybrian 16y ago
There are cubes, but shared offices are also common at Google. Not many private offices, though.
rw140 16y ago
I think that there's a tradeoff between software engineers being able to work well on this specific problem, and knowing which problem is a good problem to work on. The first benefits from being isolated; the second from having the rest of the team nearby.
__Joker 16y ago
To put into perspective check this fragment of interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE7k0_9k0VA#t=18m25s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE7k0_9k0VA#t=18m25s) by Peter Norvig. What he is saying is there is a trade-off between using open space vs. cubicles.

If cubes for software engineers are such a bad idea why does Google (so I've heard) swear by them?

by waqf 16y ago

If cubes for software engineers are such a bad idea why does Google (so I've heard) swear by them?

InclinedPlane 16y ago

Because Google isn't perfect. Is that a good enough reason?

waqf 16y ago
Not for the way I intended the question: imagine for example that I'm a Google stockholder.

hugh3 16y ago

Well for starters, the alternative of giving everyone a private office is really really expensive. Especially if you're also (like me) a believer in the idea that offices should have windows. I had my own windowless office for a year or so, and it was a really depressing environment in which to work -- I much prefer my current two-person office with a view. The other point is that while an individual programmer might be more productive when he's alone in a room, a group might be more productive if they're all in the same room together. No point in having everyone write twice as much code per day if the code no longer fits together and nobody has any idea what everybody else is doing. How much of a programmer's time is actually spent sitting down in full-on focus mode belting out lines of code?

zeemonkee 16y ago
Of course a cheaper option is to allow remote working to those who want it, at least for most days of the week. Use the office for client meetings and the occasional get-together. That way I get to have my private office with a window, coffee machine, private snack bar, XBox console and anything else I want, and it doesn't cost you a penny. Besides, groups of developers in large open source projects, distributed around the world, seem to manage fine.
- jamii 16y ago
  On the other hand, being in the same room all day all week can be incredibly depressing. I've done it in the past and prefer any kind of office to working at home for extended periods.
fvschie 16y ago
Ensuring the code fits together is an activity that happens before you start coding. If a fellow programmer creates a function and then discusses with me how to integrate this, every single time, I'm not going to get any work done. People can only work in groups when you divvy the work up between them, or if the group all focusses on one thing (one guy holds the fencepole up, the other whacks it with a hammer. One guy codes, the other guy checks the code. Etc). The little full-on focus mode I get is spent on working out which code I need to put where. The remainder, simple code-monkey work, can be done in a normally focussed manner. Constant integration with everyone else's work destroys all focus.

skybrian 16y ago

There are cubes, but shared offices are also common at Google. Not many private offices, though.

rw140 16y ago

I think that there's a tradeoff between software engineers being able to work well on this specific problem, and knowing which problem is a good problem to work on. The first benefits from being isolated; the second from having the rest of the team nearby.

__Joker 16y ago

To put into perspective check this fragment of interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE7k0_9k0VA#t=18m25s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE7k0_9k0VA#t=18m25s) by Peter Norvig. What he is saying is there is a trade-off between using open space vs. cubicles.