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Of course Apple bitched out, what else have they ever done? Acting like a revolutionary, counter culture company is one thing. Actually sticking it's neck out
by honkycat 7y ago
Of course Apple bitched out, what else have they ever done?
Acting like a revolutionary, counter culture company is one thing. Actually sticking it's neck out and doing something important is something completely different.
Part of the reason I can't stand apple. At least Microsoft acts like a lame computer company without sloughing on layers of pretentious BS.
- zuppy 7y agoso what would you have expected them to do, break the law? when they said no to the FBI they did it while respecting the law. should they just have quit the entire chinese market?
- freeone3000 7y agoYes.
- icelancer 7y agoI would expect them to allow users to sideload applications easily so they can continue their protests in a form of mild malicious compliance. That's the least they owe their users.
- curt15 7y agoThe best test of any company's espoused "principles" is when it is forced to make inconvenient choices.
- undersuit 7y agoCorrect! Apple isn't surprised by the actions China took to get to this point. They've had their chances to stop, complain, and fight.
- oh_sigh 7y agoIn that case, apple shouldn't say that they care about user privacy. They should say they care about user privacy as much as the government where they happen to be operating does.
- realusername 7y agoI should be able to install any app I want from a download link, that's what I expect. Apple has no business to make a decision about user choices.
- kome 7y agono smartphone works like this tho, literally none. that's what activist à la Stallman always pointed out. and they were right , ofc.
- realusername 7y agoOh yeah, Android is also completely broken by design, I'm not advocating for the way it works there either.
- magduf 7y agoNo, it's not. It's not perfect, nor is it trivially easy, but it is possible to side-load apps on an Android phone.
- realusername 7y agoIt should be something the common user can do, right now you need to go to enable some obscure and scary sounding settings to enable that, that's unreasonable.
- magduf 7y agoIt doesn't matter if it's "unreasonable". The key is that it's possible. It's not possible at all on Apple devices, so Android is superior in this regard.
- progman32 7y agoEvery android phone I've owned can install apks just by opening them in the file manager. Not all Android phones allow this, but many do. On top of that many brands (asus, oneplus, even some Chinese brands) let you unlock the bootloader with official tools. Using this you can take full control. So it's far from 'none'. I recently bought a zenfone 6 because it satisfies this criterion. Asus is even sending devices to alternative os developers to help them out. So we can choose to not support walled gardens, and it's not even hard. It's a question of getting people to value software freedom higher.
- ArchD 7y agoWhich law, exactly?
- ekianjo 7y agoYeah, breaking the Law can be totally justified. Unless you want to behave like a slave company.
- jonas21 7y ago> should they just have quit the entire chinese market? yes?
- jiveturkey 7y agoIt's not just consumer sales. The manufacturing pipeline is dependent on China. It would end Apple. You may as well ask, if Apple got an NSL, should they quit the entire US market? Or should they comply.
- tus88 7y ago"Because it's the right thing to do." - Tim Cooke
- HellDunkel 7y agoThis is what you can expect when a cooperation declares privacy their main concern.
- nfellaby 7y agoI mean they did stick the figurative middle finger up to the FBI when asked to provide a backdoor into a terrorist's iPhone. Which I would say is one of the main stories that sticks out to my somewhat bias perspective of tech giants standing up for their opinions. This may be more a reflection on the what flex the residing government provides for a company in a given country rather than the companies appetite to stand up for their opinion though.
- IntelMiner 7y agoOne has to wonder though. Apple refused to provide the FBI a backdoor, which people speculated would be due to setting a precedent for Apple to make these backdoors standard How likely is it that everything Apple sells in China is backdoored as mandated by the CCP?
- chillydawg 7y agoIt's clearly 100%.
- asxd 7y agoWhat about the infamous browser attack publicized by Google’s project zero that seemed to be perpetrated by the Chinese government in order to target the Uighur Muslims? If true that would seem to imply the CCP did not in fact have backdoors already right?
- SSLy 7y agoIt was targeting the Diaspora, which was using non-China models.
- asxd 7y agoAh, interesting, "Diaspora" meaning Uighurs outside of China? In that case though, what evidence is there that it was geographically targeted? My understanding was that the attack apparently focused on websites likely to be visited by Uighurs, so how would we know what the geographical target was?
- rumblefrog 7y agoUnder strict government regime, I too would've done the same thing.
- helpPeople 7y agoWhat have they done? They advertise privacy and security.
- not_a_cop75 7y agoApple needs to bow out of politics. Let anyone post an app as long as it's secure and not threatening to the OS or device itself. It's the politics (like with other companies) that will destroy it. If some terrorist wants to make an app, let it happen. It would be much easier to flag and track people that download said app, than to ban such apps completely from the walled garden, and force them underground.
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- mattnewton 7y agoI'm sure that's what Apple wants to do, and that almost works with American laws, but that will get you banned from China.
- Sadkov 7y agoApple's walled garden system matches nicely with Chinese Communism.
- tyzerdak 7y agoNobody wants to loose china market. Especially apple so they obey china what to delete.