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Yeah, and this makes so much sense considering how easy it is to find a high-paying 2-month temporary job. /s It's the old "You don't understand, teachers only

Yeah, and this makes so much sense considering how easy it is to find a high-paying 2-month temporary job. /s It's the old "You don't understand, teachers only work 10 months out of the year!" argument but dressed in some nice statistical clothing. It's asinine to make that argument because teachers can't actually get paid for the other two months. When I was temping in a warehouse unloading shipping containers one summer, there were a few teachers there who were just making ends meet until the school year started.

Mirioron 7y ago
On the other hand, plenty of people working other jobs that would like to have 2 entire months off every year.
- mcguire 7y ago
  Sure. It's one of the biggest advantages of teaching. But you still can't pay for groceries with time off.
  - darawk 7y ago
    You can't pay for groceries with health insurance either but you still have to include fringe benefits when calculating total compensation.
    - XorNot 7y ago
      Well, in other first-world countries you don't.
      - darawk 7y ago
        I'm not sure what your point is. You have to include fringe benefits generally when calculating total compensation. Whether or not that happens to include healthcare is pretty immaterial.
    - Faark 7y ago
      Yes, but the value of benefits is highly dependent on the employee. 30% off international flights might be an awesome deal, but unlikely for someone who cannot even afford a car. Vacation has great value, but usually only after basic needs are met. Cutting someones hours is often used as a punishment for a reason. At the same time it also makes total sense that other companies don't want employees reducing their working hours.
      - darawk 7y ago
        > Yes, but the value of benefits is highly dependent on the employee. 30% off international flights might be an awesome deal, but unlikely for someone who cannot even afford a car. Sure but that's a strange point to make given that they know what the benefits of the job are in advance. It's not like summer vacation is something that's sprung on teachers after they've taken the job. > Vacation has great value, but usually only after basic needs are met. Cutting someones hours is often used as a punishment for a reason. At the same time it also makes total sense that other companies don't want employees reducing their working hours. Most teachers are not incapable of meeting their own basic needs. They may be paid less than comparable private sector workers, but they're not literally starving. Given that, vacation is unequivocally a benefit. They may prefer the opportunity to work more...but if they preferred that, then they should have taken a different job.

Mirioron 7y ago

On the other hand, plenty of people working other jobs that would like to have 2 entire months off every year.

mcguire 7y ago
Sure. It's one of the biggest advantages of teaching. But you still can't pay for groceries with time off.
- darawk 7y ago
  You can't pay for groceries with health insurance either but you still have to include fringe benefits when calculating total compensation.
  - XorNot 7y ago
    Well, in other first-world countries you don't.
    - darawk 7y ago
      I'm not sure what your point is. You have to include fringe benefits generally when calculating total compensation. Whether or not that happens to include healthcare is pretty immaterial.
  - Faark 7y ago
    Yes, but the value of benefits is highly dependent on the employee. 30% off international flights might be an awesome deal, but unlikely for someone who cannot even afford a car. Vacation has great value, but usually only after basic needs are met. Cutting someones hours is often used as a punishment for a reason. At the same time it also makes total sense that other companies don't want employees reducing their working hours.
    - darawk 7y ago
      > Yes, but the value of benefits is highly dependent on the employee. 30% off international flights might be an awesome deal, but unlikely for someone who cannot even afford a car. Sure but that's a strange point to make given that they know what the benefits of the job are in advance. It's not like summer vacation is something that's sprung on teachers after they've taken the job. > Vacation has great value, but usually only after basic needs are met. Cutting someones hours is often used as a punishment for a reason. At the same time it also makes total sense that other companies don't want employees reducing their working hours. Most teachers are not incapable of meeting their own basic needs. They may be paid less than comparable private sector workers, but they're not literally starving. Given that, vacation is unequivocally a benefit. They may prefer the opportunity to work more...but if they preferred that, then they should have taken a different job.