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Government Plans to Begin DNA Testing on Detained Immigrants

64 points by tysone 7y ago

omegaworks 7y ago
What private companies assist with the collection of this information?
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  Bode Cellmark Forensics https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-awards-new-contract-rapid-dna-testing-southwest-border-expands-pilot-program https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-awards-new-contract-ra... https://www.bode-labs.com/contact-us https://www.bode-labs.com/contact-us https://www.bode-labs.com/about/executive-team https://www.bode-labs.com/about/executive-team
- jammygit 7y ago
  Why is this downvoted?
tomohawk 7y ago
Presumably to prevent trafficking in minors like this: https://www.westernjournal.com/border-patrol-busts-illegal-immigrant-allegedly-paid-130-rent-8-year-old-pose-son/ https://www.westernjournal.com/border-patrol-busts-illegal-i...
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  This seems like an extremely poor quality news source, and a presumption has little evidentiary value.
  - SenerY 7y ago
    i agree
  - yucca_plant 7y ago
    That linked article mainly consists of direct quotes. Your opinion of the website is irrelevant to the facts.
  - oh_sigh 7y ago
    Right. The government wouldn't bother collecting dna from people who have not shown up with children if that were the case. Most likely, the government is intending to do exactly what it seems like with this data - punish repeat offenders more strictly than first time offenders. ie first time you are caught illegally in the country, you are just deported. Second time, jail time ending with deportation.
  - tomohawk 7y ago
    Interesting statement. I have a source, and you have what? https://tucson.com/news/local/feds-in-southern-arizona-turn-attention-to-family-fraud-at/article_ff63b096-8381-5233-b7a5-e2be066163c3.html#tracking-source=home-top-story https://tucson.com/news/local/feds-in-southern-arizona-turn-...
- tzs 7y ago
  ...until the people doing that learn to say "this is my step-son" instead of "this is my son".
  - SenerY 7y ago
    totally agree with youre statement!
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yucca_plant 7y ago
Good, we are being invaded need to take unprecedented steps to confront the invasion.
arthurcolle 7y ago
With this + the UAP phenomenon, maybe there’s a secret narrative along the lines of testing whether these detainees might be aliens. Obviously what is being done with these immigrants/refugees is unconscionable but unfortunately this is the Trump administration, after all. removes tinfoil hat
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  If people in HK can resist the CCP, Americans could resist the evils done in their name and with their support. If they just cared enough, or weren't so myopic. > In the facility’s standard cages, there is no soap or showering for the kids. Though 72 hours is the longest a minor can be legally confined in such a facility, some had been there almost a month. [..] > As agents brought in the children she requested, Sevier said, the smell of sweat and soiled clothing filled the room. They had not been allowed to bathe or change since crossing the Rio Grande and turning themselves over to officials. Sevier found that about two-thirds of the kids she examined had symptoms of respiratory infection. The guards wore surgical masks, but the detainees breathed the air unfiltered. [..] > At Ursula, however, the children Sevier examined—like the panting 2-year-old—were “totally fearful, but then entirely subdued,” she told me. She could read the fear in their faces, but they were perfectly submissive to her authority. “I can only explain it by trauma, because that is such an unusual behavior,” she said. Sevier had brought along Mickey Mouse toys to break the ice, and the kids seem to enjoy playing with them. Yet none resisted, she said, when she took them away at the end of the exam. “At some point,” Sevier mused, “you’re broken and you stop fighting.” -- https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/border-patrols-oversight-sick-migrant-children/593224/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/border-... I saw the above on HN, where it had few points and no comments. > “They’re not death camps—not yet,” she said. “But the death camps that have existed throughout history often don’t start that way. They start being places where people who are targeted because of their race or status are put into isolated places and denied due process. The characterization is accurate.” -- https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3kxqqw/the-jews-organizing-against-ice-to-stop-concentration-camps https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3kxqqw/the-jews-organizin...
humble_engineer 7y ago
This is not a political post, I am merely stating the facts here and I don't take any stance on this issue. A judge ruled that Obama had to let families go if they show up at the border and claim to be a family, because the only options were holding them in a prison cell together, or separating them like Trump does now. So a judge created the "catch and release" idea. The problem with this, was that as soon as this happened, sex traffickers realized they could traffic children by forcing them to claim the people they were with were their family. So now, the Trump administration, unable to get the courts to do anything and forced to execute the law, wants to DNA test the children and parents to confirm they are related.
eli_gottlieb 7y ago
Well this is downright evil.
bradknowles 7y ago
Let’s DNA test all politicians first, and make sure those test results go into all the criminal databases. And all law enforcement personnel, too. Then we can talk about DNA testing other groups of people.
- ricc 7y ago
  This is similar to an idea I picked up somewhere in the past: a surveillance state is acceptable only if it's two-way. The citizens should be able to observe the observers, watch the watchmen.

64 points by tysone 7y ago

omegaworks 7y ago

What private companies assist with the collection of this information?

anigbrowl 7y ago
Bode Cellmark Forensics https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-awards-new-contract-rapid-dna-testing-southwest-border-expands-pilot-program https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-awards-new-contract-ra... https://www.bode-labs.com/contact-us https://www.bode-labs.com/contact-us https://www.bode-labs.com/about/executive-team https://www.bode-labs.com/about/executive-team
jammygit 7y ago
Why is this downvoted?

tomohawk 7y ago

Presumably to prevent trafficking in minors like this: https://www.westernjournal.com/border-patrol-busts-illegal-immigrant-allegedly-paid-130-rent-8-year-old-pose-son/ https://www.westernjournal.com/border-patrol-busts-illegal-i...

anigbrowl 7y ago
This seems like an extremely poor quality news source, and a presumption has little evidentiary value.
- SenerY 7y ago
  i agree
- yucca_plant 7y ago
  That linked article mainly consists of direct quotes. Your opinion of the website is irrelevant to the facts.
- oh_sigh 7y ago
  Right. The government wouldn't bother collecting dna from people who have not shown up with children if that were the case. Most likely, the government is intending to do exactly what it seems like with this data - punish repeat offenders more strictly than first time offenders. ie first time you are caught illegally in the country, you are just deported. Second time, jail time ending with deportation.
- tomohawk 7y ago
  Interesting statement. I have a source, and you have what? https://tucson.com/news/local/feds-in-southern-arizona-turn-attention-to-family-fraud-at/article_ff63b096-8381-5233-b7a5-e2be066163c3.html#tracking-source=home-top-story https://tucson.com/news/local/feds-in-southern-arizona-turn-...
tzs 7y ago
...until the people doing that learn to say "this is my step-son" instead of "this is my son".
- SenerY 7y ago
  totally agree with youre statement!

deleted 7y ago

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yucca_plant 7y ago

Good, we are being invaded need to take unprecedented steps to confront the invasion.

arthurcolle 7y ago

With this + the UAP phenomenon, maybe there’s a secret narrative along the lines of testing whether these detainees might be aliens. Obviously what is being done with these immigrants/refugees is unconscionable but unfortunately this is the Trump administration, after all. removes tinfoil hat

PavlovsCat 7y ago
If people in HK can resist the CCP, Americans could resist the evils done in their name and with their support. If they just cared enough, or weren't so myopic. > In the facility’s standard cages, there is no soap or showering for the kids. Though 72 hours is the longest a minor can be legally confined in such a facility, some had been there almost a month. [..] > As agents brought in the children she requested, Sevier said, the smell of sweat and soiled clothing filled the room. They had not been allowed to bathe or change since crossing the Rio Grande and turning themselves over to officials. Sevier found that about two-thirds of the kids she examined had symptoms of respiratory infection. The guards wore surgical masks, but the detainees breathed the air unfiltered. [..] > At Ursula, however, the children Sevier examined—like the panting 2-year-old—were “totally fearful, but then entirely subdued,” she told me. She could read the fear in their faces, but they were perfectly submissive to her authority. “I can only explain it by trauma, because that is such an unusual behavior,” she said. Sevier had brought along Mickey Mouse toys to break the ice, and the kids seem to enjoy playing with them. Yet none resisted, she said, when she took them away at the end of the exam. “At some point,” Sevier mused, “you’re broken and you stop fighting.” -- https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/border-patrols-oversight-sick-migrant-children/593224/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/border-... I saw the above on HN, where it had few points and no comments. > “They’re not death camps—not yet,” she said. “But the death camps that have existed throughout history often don’t start that way. They start being places where people who are targeted because of their race or status are put into isolated places and denied due process. The characterization is accurate.” -- https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3kxqqw/the-jews-organizing-against-ice-to-stop-concentration-camps https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3kxqqw/the-jews-organizin...

humble_engineer 7y ago

This is not a political post, I am merely stating the facts here and I don't take any stance on this issue. A judge ruled that Obama had to let families go if they show up at the border and claim to be a family, because the only options were holding them in a prison cell together, or separating them like Trump does now. So a judge created the "catch and release" idea. The problem with this, was that as soon as this happened, sex traffickers realized they could traffic children by forcing them to claim the people they were with were their family. So now, the Trump administration, unable to get the courts to do anything and forced to execute the law, wants to DNA test the children and parents to confirm they are related.

eli_gottlieb 7y ago

Well this is downright evil.

bradknowles 7y ago

Let’s DNA test all politicians first, and make sure those test results go into all the criminal databases. And all law enforcement personnel, too. Then we can talk about DNA testing other groups of people.

ricc 7y ago
This is similar to an idea I picked up somewhere in the past: a surveillance state is acceptable only if it's two-way. The citizens should be able to observe the observers, watch the watchmen.