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They do a ton of work at home outside of school hours.

by karl11 7y ago

ydnaclementine 7y ago
But according to this study, they aren’t and are only working ~40 hours. So who’s misunderstanding, this study that used time diaries from teachers or what the other teachers say? Both sources are self reported. I was expecting this study to ignore the extra hours that teachers put in away from the kids, but they seem to account for that.
- Florin_Andrei 7y ago
  The "article" was produced by a neocon think tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute It's a "study" in the sense that a blog by the American Tobacco Association (fictional entity invented for the purpose of this argument) produces "studies" about the "harmlessness of tobacco smoking".
- germinalphrase 7y ago
  I am a high school English teacher in a suburban district outside a large midwestern city. There is a large variance between how much work members of different subject areas bring home. I certainly have colleagues that work their 40 hours and don’t spend a minute more thinking about school. The nature of my work is different, and I typically work 50-60/week. Also for reference, I have been working as a teacher for 6 years and make just shy of 43k.
abakker 7y ago
For the whole year? If you work 60 hours/week, 36 weeks/year, then you only work ~41 hours/week on average. School years are 180 days, for about 36 weeks. I know that teachers do work during the vacations somewhat, but, they also get substantially more time off than most other professional jobs in the US.
- mcguire 7y ago
  "Substantially more time off" is probably the wrong way to look at it when you don't get paid for the two or three months off.
  - abakker 7y ago
    That's a good point. Really, you could just say that they have a seasonal part time job, but when they do it they are paid like professionals. This might not be a problem if there were another part time job that really worked well for getting paid in the other months, but that seems difficult.
  - prepend 7y ago
    I have a choice whether I would like my annual salary paid over 10 months with no pay in the summer or over 12 months. My annual salary doesn’t differ one way or the other. I think the comparison was median annual income and median days of vacation per year. It doesn’t matter too much if the pay is distributed as a single annual lump sum or paid out every hour.

They do a ton of work at home outside of school hours.

by karl11 7y ago

They do a ton of work at home outside of school hours.

But according to this study, they aren’t and are only working ~40 hours. So who’s misunderstanding, this study that used time diaries from teachers or what the other teachers say? Both sources are self reported. I was expecting this study to ignore the extra hours that teachers put in away from the kids, but they seem to account for that.

Florin_Andrei 7y ago
The "article" was produced by a neocon think tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute It's a "study" in the sense that a blog by the American Tobacco Association (fictional entity invented for the purpose of this argument) produces "studies" about the "harmlessness of tobacco smoking".
germinalphrase 7y ago
I am a high school English teacher in a suburban district outside a large midwestern city. There is a large variance between how much work members of different subject areas bring home. I certainly have colleagues that work their 40 hours and don’t spend a minute more thinking about school. The nature of my work is different, and I typically work 50-60/week. Also for reference, I have been working as a teacher for 6 years and make just shy of 43k.

abakker 7y ago

For the whole year? If you work 60 hours/week, 36 weeks/year, then you only work ~41 hours/week on average. School years are 180 days, for about 36 weeks. I know that teachers do work during the vacations somewhat, but, they also get substantially more time off than most other professional jobs in the US.

mcguire 7y ago
"Substantially more time off" is probably the wrong way to look at it when you don't get paid for the two or three months off.
- abakker 7y ago
  That's a good point. Really, you could just say that they have a seasonal part time job, but when they do it they are paid like professionals. This might not be a problem if there were another part time job that really worked well for getting paid in the other months, but that seems difficult.
- prepend 7y ago
  I have a choice whether I would like my annual salary paid over 10 months with no pay in the summer or over 12 months. My annual salary doesn’t differ one way or the other. I think the comparison was median annual income and median days of vacation per year. It doesn’t matter too much if the pay is distributed as a single annual lump sum or paid out every hour.