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Portuguese farmers don't bury dead wild animals, so obviously there are vultures in Portugal too. Maybe there are too many vultures in Spain because of the unn

Portuguese farmers don't bury dead wild animals, so obviously there are vultures in Portugal too. Maybe there are too many vultures in Spain because of the unnaturally abundance of dead cattle, just a thought. Also, it's nice to be an arm-chair environmentalist as long as that dead cow isn't rotting next to your house.

shkkmo 7y ago
> Maybe there are too many vultures in Spain because of the unnaturally abundance of dead cattle, just a thought. Pasture lands decrease habitat that would support the wild animal populations that would normally feed the vultures. Are you aware of any numbers indicating an unnaturally high vulture population? > Maybe there are too many vultures in Spain because of the unnaturally abundance of dead cattle, just a thought. Nobody is trying to make the removal of corpses from inappropriate places illegal. They are trying to make it legal to leave some corpses in place.
- pvaldes 7y ago
  > Maybe there are too many vultures in Spain because Because good and hard work In Spain there is a recent strong culture of protecting this birds, as result of the work for the last decades of several spanish associations like Fapas, Seo Birdlife or Grefa. And because money The farmers in this places are supposed to pay for removing dead sheep and cattle corpses by law, but they often pretend that the cattle was lost, look to other point whereas the vultures do the job for free and save the money.
DoreenMichele 7y ago
According to the series of tweets under discussion: 6/ A handful of nesting colonies remain in Portugal, says Joaquim Teodósio, a biologist working for the Portuguese Society for the Study of Birds (@spea_birdlife ), but the vultures that occupy them spend the daylight hours abroad. Also, it's nice to be an arm-chair environmentalist as long as that dead cow isn't rotting next to your house. The person writing these tweets in English has a Spanish language description in their profile that says in part (when translated): Science and environment journalist. I studied biology and scientific communication. (According to Google translate)
pvaldes 7y ago
1) Agree, is a clear anomaly 2) Vultures DO cross frontiers and the map clearly show this in two points. This is the expected output because vultures travel far between two points, and in some places the shortest path from points A and B in Spain is through Portugal 3) I would not discard an artifact. I don't know the specifications of the procedures but I wonder if this could be just a technical problem, bad signal in one part of the map, stronger repeaters in the frontier picking or masking signals on the other side, etc...

shkkmo 7y ago

> Maybe there are too many vultures in Spain because of the unnaturally abundance of dead cattle, just a thought. Pasture lands decrease habitat that would support the wild animal populations that would normally feed the vultures. Are you aware of any numbers indicating an unnaturally high vulture population? > Maybe there are too many vultures in Spain because of the unnaturally abundance of dead cattle, just a thought. Nobody is trying to make the removal of corpses from inappropriate places illegal. They are trying to make it legal to leave some corpses in place.

pvaldes 7y ago
> Maybe there are too many vultures in Spain because Because good and hard work In Spain there is a recent strong culture of protecting this birds, as result of the work for the last decades of several spanish associations like Fapas, Seo Birdlife or Grefa. And because money The farmers in this places are supposed to pay for removing dead sheep and cattle corpses by law, but they often pretend that the cattle was lost, look to other point whereas the vultures do the job for free and save the money.

DoreenMichele 7y ago

According to the series of tweets under discussion: 6/ A handful of nesting colonies remain in Portugal, says Joaquim Teodósio, a biologist working for the Portuguese Society for the Study of Birds (@spea_birdlife ), but the vultures that occupy them spend the daylight hours abroad. Also, it's nice to be an arm-chair environmentalist as long as that dead cow isn't rotting next to your house. The person writing these tweets in English has a Spanish language description in their profile that says in part (when translated): Science and environment journalist. I studied biology and scientific communication. (According to Google translate)

pvaldes 7y ago

1) Agree, is a clear anomaly 2) Vultures DO cross frontiers and the map clearly show this in two points. This is the expected output because vultures travel far between two points, and in some places the shortest path from points A and B in Spain is through Portugal 3) I would not discard an artifact. I don't know the specifications of the procedures but I wonder if this could be just a technical problem, bad signal in one part of the map, stronger repeaters in the frontier picking or masking signals on the other side, etc...