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There's another side to this though. LGBTQ content is inherently about sexuality, how is youtube supposed to deteremine when you're talking about sexuality for

by jbob2000 7y ago

There's another side to this though. LGBTQ content is inherently about sexuality, how is youtube supposed to deteremine when you're talking about sexuality for the sake of social progress vs. talking about sexuality for the sake of, well, sex?

mijamo 7y ago
Is it bad to talk about sex?
- jbob2000 7y ago
  Not in my opinion, but some advertisers clearly think so. And there are a LOT of Americans that believe it's bad to talk about too.
danaris 7y ago
> LGBTQ content is inherently about sexuality No, it's not. It's about people. Simply mentioning that someone is lesbian in a video does not make the content "inherently about sexuality." The idea that everything related to LGBTQ issues is inherently sexual in nature is one of the most toxic ones to people with those identities. It maintains the idea that their very existence taboo, something you're not allowed to talk about in public, and certainly not around children! When talking about LBGTQ identities around children, normalizing their existence, is one of the most powerful things to help LGBTQ children understand and accept their identities, and help straight, cisgender children recognize that LGBTQ children are fine, normal, and not something to be feared or reviled.
- jbob2000 7y ago
  I’m struggling to understand what an LGBTQ identity is if it isn’t related to sexuality. The definition of a lesbian is a woman who has sexual preferences for women. If a woman doesn’t have sexual preferences for other women, but still likes them, then we just call them “friends”, no? She isn’t a lesbian just because she has female friends. And now we get into our semantic debate; is LGBTQ content any content that is generated by a member of that group? So if a gay man talks about skateboarding, is it LGBTQ content? Or is it only LGBTQ content when the topic is literally about lesbians, gays, bis, and transsexuals? If you talk about sexuality, you’re talking about sexuality, so you’re going to get hit with these censors. If you talk about skateboarding, you aren’t talking about sexuality, so you won’t get censored.
  - krapp 7y ago
    You're assuming, first, that attraction is exclusively defined in sexual terms, which is untrue. You're further assuming that identity is exclusively defined by sexuality. Also not true. There are many aspects of LGBTQ identity and culture which are not related to sex, in the same way that there are many aspects of heterosexual identity and culture unrelated to sex. One may use the keywords mentioned in the article outside of the context of a discussion of sex. Here are some examples of LGBTQ Youtube content which, you will note, should you watch, are not entirely about sex or sexuality, despite clearly being "LGBTQ content." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTwm4IIBGPI&list=PLmWFOeT2jEoe064rEh2BvJFhBDGsapM50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTwm4IIBGPI&list=PLmWFOeT2jE... https://www.youtube.com/user/rantasmo/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/rantasmo/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/muppetmadness/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/muppetmadness/videos
    - jbob2000 7y ago
      > You're assuming, first, that attraction is exclusively defined in sexual terms, which is untrue. Agreed. If you are attracted to someone and you don't want to have sex with them, then it's not sexual attraction. I am attracted to my business partner, for example, because he is very confident and has a warm personality. That's why I call him my friend and business partner. But this doesn't make me Gay, I don't want to have sex with him. > You're further assuming that identity is exclusively defined by sexuality. Also not true. Agreed. There are many facets to a person's identity. Sexual identity is just one of them. In a conversation about LGBTQ identity, it's fair to assume we're talking about sexual identity, it's right in the name - lesbian gay bi trans queer. Those are words that describe who you have sexual relationships with, therefore conversations about LGBTQ identity are about sexual identity. If you want to have a discussion about geographic or other parts of a person's identity, then we can do that, but nothing about our conversation is about those parts of a person's identity. Edit: I see where our misunderstanding is. You think LGBTQ is a banner under which an entire identity is defined, but I think LGBTQ is just one part of a person's larger identity. I think there are many LGBTQ people who do not want their identity to be pinned to their sexual preference, many would say "I'm just a guy who likes men, don't paint me with that whole brush".

mijamo 7y ago

Is it bad to talk about sex?

jbob2000 7y ago
Not in my opinion, but some advertisers clearly think so. And there are a LOT of Americans that believe it's bad to talk about too.

danaris 7y ago

> LGBTQ content is inherently about sexuality No, it's not. It's about people. Simply mentioning that someone is lesbian in a video does not make the content "inherently about sexuality." The idea that everything related to LGBTQ issues is inherently sexual in nature is one of the most toxic ones to people with those identities. It maintains the idea that their very existence taboo, something you're not allowed to talk about in public, and certainly not around children! When talking about LBGTQ identities around children, normalizing their existence, is one of the most powerful things to help LGBTQ children understand and accept their identities, and help straight, cisgender children recognize that LGBTQ children are fine, normal, and not something to be feared or reviled.

jbob2000 7y ago
I’m struggling to understand what an LGBTQ identity is if it isn’t related to sexuality. The definition of a lesbian is a woman who has sexual preferences for women. If a woman doesn’t have sexual preferences for other women, but still likes them, then we just call them “friends”, no? She isn’t a lesbian just because she has female friends. And now we get into our semantic debate; is LGBTQ content any content that is generated by a member of that group? So if a gay man talks about skateboarding, is it LGBTQ content? Or is it only LGBTQ content when the topic is literally about lesbians, gays, bis, and transsexuals? If you talk about sexuality, you’re talking about sexuality, so you’re going to get hit with these censors. If you talk about skateboarding, you aren’t talking about sexuality, so you won’t get censored.
- krapp 7y ago
  You're assuming, first, that attraction is exclusively defined in sexual terms, which is untrue. You're further assuming that identity is exclusively defined by sexuality. Also not true. There are many aspects of LGBTQ identity and culture which are not related to sex, in the same way that there are many aspects of heterosexual identity and culture unrelated to sex. One may use the keywords mentioned in the article outside of the context of a discussion of sex. Here are some examples of LGBTQ Youtube content which, you will note, should you watch, are not entirely about sex or sexuality, despite clearly being "LGBTQ content." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTwm4IIBGPI&list=PLmWFOeT2jEoe064rEh2BvJFhBDGsapM50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTwm4IIBGPI&list=PLmWFOeT2jE... https://www.youtube.com/user/rantasmo/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/rantasmo/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/muppetmadness/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/muppetmadness/videos
  - jbob2000 7y ago
    > You're assuming, first, that attraction is exclusively defined in sexual terms, which is untrue. Agreed. If you are attracted to someone and you don't want to have sex with them, then it's not sexual attraction. I am attracted to my business partner, for example, because he is very confident and has a warm personality. That's why I call him my friend and business partner. But this doesn't make me Gay, I don't want to have sex with him. > You're further assuming that identity is exclusively defined by sexuality. Also not true. Agreed. There are many facets to a person's identity. Sexual identity is just one of them. In a conversation about LGBTQ identity, it's fair to assume we're talking about sexual identity, it's right in the name - lesbian gay bi trans queer. Those are words that describe who you have sexual relationships with, therefore conversations about LGBTQ identity are about sexual identity. If you want to have a discussion about geographic or other parts of a person's identity, then we can do that, but nothing about our conversation is about those parts of a person's identity. Edit: I see where our misunderstanding is. You think LGBTQ is a banner under which an entire identity is defined, but I think LGBTQ is just one part of a person's larger identity. I think there are many LGBTQ people who do not want their identity to be pinned to their sexual preference, many would say "I'm just a guy who likes men, don't paint me with that whole brush".