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> LGBTQ content censorship was celebrated by the same people now lamenting "conservative" demonetization. The "same people?" All of them? Since when does "Cons

> LGBTQ content censorship was celebrated by the same people now lamenting "conservative" demonetization. The "same people?" All of them? Since when does "Conservative" equal "anti-LGBT?" You do know there exists LGBT conservatives, yes?

jswizzy 7y ago
Peter Thiel is a log cabin conservative. He was outed by Gawkier and funded the Hogan lawsuit to get justice for it.
fzeroracer 7y ago
Since the conservative movement as a whole has been generally moving to deny LGBTQ people the right to marry (see: attempts to overturn Obergefell in conservative states), the right to serve in the military (see: transgender military ban) and the right to not be discriminated against (see: masterpiece cakeshop). I'm not going to deny that there are LGBT conservatives. But the fact is that conservative politicians as a whole demonize LGBTQ people and have attempted multiple times to censor them [1] or bar them from aid. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19976398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19976398
- mieseratte 7y ago
  > But the fact is that conservative politicians as a whole demonize LGBTQ "As a whole" they do not. There exists many who do, to paint it part and parcel of conservatism is incorrect. One could just as well claim it's not their conservatism, but religious beliefs.
  - happytoexplain 7y ago
    I would argue "as a whole" describes the situation prudently. After all, the parent is pointing specifically at politicians even - not just all people. "In general", "overall", "on average", and "prominently" also all work I think.
    - mieseratte 7y ago
      Using weasel-words doesn't absolve ad hominem.
- fulvous 7y ago
  Conservatives like Obama in 2008?
traderjane 7y ago
Just the aggregate of the conservative population. It would be similar to saying that black people suffer discrimination in the US, to which I suppose you'd incredulously reply, "All of them? All black people? But I have a black friend who has never felt prejudged on matters of race." I wonder of the conversational instincts of such a person. Recall George Bush Jr's presidential candidacy when banning gay marriage in the nation's Constitutional was a get-out-to-vote issue. Or California's 8. Why are these issues energizing? What about care for the poor and focus on education? Are these not red-hot winning issues? You might also refer to the GOP platform of various states, or the GOP national platform. Here's some verbatim text from the Texas GOP platform, the 2nd-largest state in the nation. > Homosexual Behavior: We affirm God’s biblical design for marriage and sexual behavior between one biological man and one biological woman, which has proven to be the foundation for all great nations in Western civilization. We oppose homosexual marriage, regardless of state of origin. We urge the Texas Legislature to pass religious liberty protections for individuals, businesses, and government officials who believe marriage is between one man and one woman. We oppose the granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values. > Definition of Marriage: We support the definition of marriage as a God-ordained, legal, and moral commitment only between one natural man and one natural woman. > Overturn Unconstitutional Ruling: We believe this decision, overturning the Texas law prohibiting same-sex marriage in Texas, has no basis in the Constitution and should be reversed, returning jurisdiction over the definition of marriage to the states. The Governor and other elected officials of the State of Texas should assert our Tenth Amendment right and reject the Supreme Court ruling. I would also argue that discussing American conservatism without a rich narrative on Christianity is obtusely blind. > Religious Freedom: As America is “one nation under God,” founded on Judeo-Christian principles, we affirm the constitutional right of all individuals to worship as they choose. If conservatives didn't care about gay marriage, then what political force would be left to oppose its legitimacy?

jswizzy 7y ago

Peter Thiel is a log cabin conservative. He was outed by Gawkier and funded the Hogan lawsuit to get justice for it.

fzeroracer 7y ago

Since the conservative movement as a whole has been generally moving to deny LGBTQ people the right to marry (see: attempts to overturn Obergefell in conservative states), the right to serve in the military (see: transgender military ban) and the right to not be discriminated against (see: masterpiece cakeshop). I'm not going to deny that there are LGBT conservatives. But the fact is that conservative politicians as a whole demonize LGBTQ people and have attempted multiple times to censor them [1] or bar them from aid. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19976398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19976398

mieseratte 7y ago
> But the fact is that conservative politicians as a whole demonize LGBTQ "As a whole" they do not. There exists many who do, to paint it part and parcel of conservatism is incorrect. One could just as well claim it's not their conservatism, but religious beliefs.
- happytoexplain 7y ago
  I would argue "as a whole" describes the situation prudently. After all, the parent is pointing specifically at politicians even - not just all people. "In general", "overall", "on average", and "prominently" also all work I think.
  - mieseratte 7y ago
    Using weasel-words doesn't absolve ad hominem.
fulvous 7y ago
Conservatives like Obama in 2008?

traderjane 7y ago

Just the aggregate of the conservative population. It would be similar to saying that black people suffer discrimination in the US, to which I suppose you'd incredulously reply, "All of them? All black people? But I have a black friend who has never felt prejudged on matters of race." I wonder of the conversational instincts of such a person. Recall George Bush Jr's presidential candidacy when banning gay marriage in the nation's Constitutional was a get-out-to-vote issue. Or California's 8. Why are these issues energizing? What about care for the poor and focus on education? Are these not red-hot winning issues? You might also refer to the GOP platform of various states, or the GOP national platform. Here's some verbatim text from the Texas GOP platform, the 2nd-largest state in the nation. > Homosexual Behavior: We affirm God’s biblical design for marriage and sexual behavior between one biological man and one biological woman, which has proven to be the foundation for all great nations in Western civilization. We oppose homosexual marriage, regardless of state of origin. We urge the Texas Legislature to pass religious liberty protections for individuals, businesses, and government officials who believe marriage is between one man and one woman. We oppose the granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values. > Definition of Marriage: We support the definition of marriage as a God-ordained, legal, and moral commitment only between one natural man and one natural woman. > Overturn Unconstitutional Ruling: We believe this decision, overturning the Texas law prohibiting same-sex marriage in Texas, has no basis in the Constitution and should be reversed, returning jurisdiction over the definition of marriage to the states. The Governor and other elected officials of the State of Texas should assert our Tenth Amendment right and reject the Supreme Court ruling. I would also argue that discussing American conservatism without a rich narrative on Christianity is obtusely blind. > Religious Freedom: As America is “one nation under God,” founded on Judeo-Christian principles, we affirm the constitutional right of all individuals to worship as they choose. If conservatives didn't care about gay marriage, then what political force would be left to oppose its legitimacy?