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> First one is that up until 1989, Bulgaria was largely an agriculture state where did you get this nonsense? FYI, you've got 6 (SIX!) nuclear reactors build

> First one is that up until 1989, Bulgaria was largely an agriculture state where did you get this nonsense? FYI, you've got 6 (SIX!) nuclear reactors build during those times 0 since 1990

slavoingilizov 7y ago
What proportion of the GDP before 1990 was from power production then? Your argument is anecdotal. Those reactors were vanity projects, not big contributors to economy.
- Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
  > Those reactors were vanity projects, not big contributors to economy. Your argument is anecdotal.
axegon_ 7y ago
Nuclear reactors contribute very little to the job market. We still export electricity to Romania and Greece afaik but still... As in most communist regimes go, few people were allowed to pursue the more prestigious careers, unless you were a guy who knows a guy. So whether you wanted something more or not, it boiled down to who you were. On top of that you couldn't pack your bag and move to a bigger city without a permission of the authorities. As a result of all that and the appropriate weather conditions, agriculture was a safe bet for just about everyone.
- Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
  > Nuclear reactors contribute very little to the job market. that is not the point. Point is, it was contributing for years with good paying jobs, well-educated folks etc. Since 1990 - nothing. > few people were allowed to pursue the more prestigious careers Like gasp nuclear engineer? Yeah... > On top of that you couldn't pack your bag and move to a bigger city without a permission of the authorities. Really? It was that bad in Bulgaria? Definitely not like that in Soviet Russia > As a result of all that and the appropriate weather conditions, agriculture was a safe bet for just about everyone. Yeah, except those nuclear engineers I bet they were dreaming at the reactor controls about moving to be a swine herders
  - axegon_ 7y ago
    > that is not the point. Point is, it was contributing for years with good paying jobs, well-educated folks etc. Since 1990 - nothing. Providing say 1000 good paying jobs... In the same way Chernobyl did, and look at how well that ended. Since 1990 - a large number of mid sized software companies have shown up, each of which has employed more than that. > Like gasp nuclear engineer? Yeah... Let me think of how many nuclear engineers there are among me, my family or anyone I've ever known... Hmmm... It appears none. > Really? It was that bad in Bulgaria? Definitely not like that in Soviet Russia Well there were always gulags. > Yeah, except those nuclear engineers > I bet they were dreaming at the reactor controls about moving to be a swine herders Yes, out of 8M population that's 0.0125%, 99% of which were closely related to the communist party. Great job, we created a prosperous c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶y̶ communism.
    - Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
      > Providing say 1000 good paying jobs... per reactor, and those jobs are basically for 50-60 years. And each job creates 3-4 jobs in surrounding area - teachers, salesmen, construction, ... > Let me think of how many nuclear engineers there are among me, my family or anyone I've ever known... Hmmm... It appears none. and how many, say, swine herders are among your family or people you know? Thousands? > Yes, out of 8M population that's 0.0125%, 99% of which were closely related to the communist party. number should be higher, but, again, this is not the point. People RIGHT NOW (communism is gone for 30 years already) are leaving Bulgaria in droves - no jobs, no future

> First one is that up until 1989, Bulgaria was largely an agriculture state where did you get this nonsense? FYI, you've got 6 (SIX!) nuclear reactors build during those times 0 since 1990

slavoingilizov 7y ago

What proportion of the GDP before 1990 was from power production then? Your argument is anecdotal. Those reactors were vanity projects, not big contributors to economy.

Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
> Those reactors were vanity projects, not big contributors to economy. Your argument is anecdotal.

axegon_ 7y ago

Nuclear reactors contribute very little to the job market. We still export electricity to Romania and Greece afaik but still... As in most communist regimes go, few people were allowed to pursue the more prestigious careers, unless you were a guy who knows a guy. So whether you wanted something more or not, it boiled down to who you were. On top of that you couldn't pack your bag and move to a bigger city without a permission of the authorities. As a result of all that and the appropriate weather conditions, agriculture was a safe bet for just about everyone.

Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
> Nuclear reactors contribute very little to the job market. that is not the point. Point is, it was contributing for years with good paying jobs, well-educated folks etc. Since 1990 - nothing. > few people were allowed to pursue the more prestigious careers Like gasp nuclear engineer? Yeah... > On top of that you couldn't pack your bag and move to a bigger city without a permission of the authorities. Really? It was that bad in Bulgaria? Definitely not like that in Soviet Russia > As a result of all that and the appropriate weather conditions, agriculture was a safe bet for just about everyone. Yeah, except those nuclear engineers I bet they were dreaming at the reactor controls about moving to be a swine herders
- axegon_ 7y ago
  > that is not the point. Point is, it was contributing for years with good paying jobs, well-educated folks etc. Since 1990 - nothing. Providing say 1000 good paying jobs... In the same way Chernobyl did, and look at how well that ended. Since 1990 - a large number of mid sized software companies have shown up, each of which has employed more than that. > Like gasp nuclear engineer? Yeah... Let me think of how many nuclear engineers there are among me, my family or anyone I've ever known... Hmmm... It appears none. > Really? It was that bad in Bulgaria? Definitely not like that in Soviet Russia Well there were always gulags. > Yeah, except those nuclear engineers > I bet they were dreaming at the reactor controls about moving to be a swine herders Yes, out of 8M population that's 0.0125%, 99% of which were closely related to the communist party. Great job, we created a prosperous c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶y̶ communism.
  - Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
    > Providing say 1000 good paying jobs... per reactor, and those jobs are basically for 50-60 years. And each job creates 3-4 jobs in surrounding area - teachers, salesmen, construction, ... > Let me think of how many nuclear engineers there are among me, my family or anyone I've ever known... Hmmm... It appears none. and how many, say, swine herders are among your family or people you know? Thousands? > Yes, out of 8M population that's 0.0125%, 99% of which were closely related to the communist party. number should be higher, but, again, this is not the point. People RIGHT NOW (communism is gone for 30 years already) are leaving Bulgaria in droves - no jobs, no future