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Except that’s not improving the planet even a bit. Arguably it raises awareness and the shard belief in at least the principle of individual responsibility. A

Except that’s not improving the planet even a bit. Arguably it raises awareness and the shard belief in at least the principle of individual responsibility. Against the overwhelming tide of the "Fuck it, I'll be dead before this shit starts to really come down on our heads anyway" which would otherwise be the reigning default.

rukittenme 7y ago
Stop raising awareness and start triaging. At a certain point, everyone is aware of the top line issues and you just need to prioritize public attention. You (obviously) can't do this on your own and, at a certain level, the environmental movement's focus on bogus, small-time, feel-good issues reveals its cynicism. BUT PLEASE, stop defending it. You're just empowering those looking for a reason to resent the movement.
- undersuit 7y ago
  >Stop raising awareness and start triaging. Like trying to start banning categories of plastic? Straws and shopping bags?
  - rukittenme 7y ago
    Banning categories of plastic is an action. Choosing to expend political capital on banning certain plastics is an act of triage.
    - undersuit 7y ago
      The political capital is being spent to stop the banning of plastics. Banning straws should really be a simple issue, but there are people opposed to the ban not for actual reasons, but because straws are first. They falsely argue that the ban will eliminate the straw, they use pleas of emotion feigning concern that the law won't have carve outs for legitimate use, they mock the minor efforts, snuggly knowing that all their distractions are making straws into a huge issue that now becomes almost poisonous to approach. Just Ctrl+F for straws in this thread. Two top comments are taking shots at straws and once I post this reply, those two comments will have pushed the word straw to 97 counts. Lastly just for fun, just a tally of the most common words on this page: 447 the 230 to 224 a 221 of 182 ago 174 and 172 hours 170 reply 170 in 158 is 150 that 103 i 98 plastic 91 it 81 you 79 on 78 for 76 are 67 not 67 be 62 we 60 this 57 but 55 they 55 straws 52 with 51 it's 51 if 51 have 50 all 49 or 43 use 39 was 39 more 39 as 38 so 38 at 37 about 36 don't 36 can 34 straw 34 people 34 from 32 them 32 fishing The article is about merchant and fishing ships.
      - modernista 7y ago
        The article is about merchant and fishing ships. Actually it was primarily about these ships as primary sources of plastic dumping in the ocean. Not about the "ships" per se.
  - ClumsyPilot 7y ago
    Using non recyclable plastic in a single use items should be a criminal offence

rukittenme 7y ago

Stop raising awareness and start triaging. At a certain point, everyone is aware of the top line issues and you just need to prioritize public attention. You (obviously) can't do this on your own and, at a certain level, the environmental movement's focus on bogus, small-time, feel-good issues reveals its cynicism. BUT PLEASE, stop defending it. You're just empowering those looking for a reason to resent the movement.

undersuit 7y ago
>Stop raising awareness and start triaging. Like trying to start banning categories of plastic? Straws and shopping bags?
- rukittenme 7y ago
  Banning categories of plastic is an action. Choosing to expend political capital on banning certain plastics is an act of triage.
  - undersuit 7y ago
    The political capital is being spent to stop the banning of plastics. Banning straws should really be a simple issue, but there are people opposed to the ban not for actual reasons, but because straws are first. They falsely argue that the ban will eliminate the straw, they use pleas of emotion feigning concern that the law won't have carve outs for legitimate use, they mock the minor efforts, snuggly knowing that all their distractions are making straws into a huge issue that now becomes almost poisonous to approach. Just Ctrl+F for straws in this thread. Two top comments are taking shots at straws and once I post this reply, those two comments will have pushed the word straw to 97 counts. Lastly just for fun, just a tally of the most common words on this page: 447 the 230 to 224 a 221 of 182 ago 174 and 172 hours 170 reply 170 in 158 is 150 that 103 i 98 plastic 91 it 81 you 79 on 78 for 76 are 67 not 67 be 62 we 60 this 57 but 55 they 55 straws 52 with 51 it's 51 if 51 have 50 all 49 or 43 use 39 was 39 more 39 as 38 so 38 at 37 about 36 don't 36 can 34 straw 34 people 34 from 32 them 32 fishing The article is about merchant and fishing ships.
    - modernista 7y ago
      The article is about merchant and fishing ships. Actually it was primarily about these ships as primary sources of plastic dumping in the ocean. Not about the "ships" per se.
- ClumsyPilot 7y ago
  Using non recyclable plastic in a single use items should be a criminal offence