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What are the tech salaries like in Bulgaria?

by moltar 7y ago

_hao 7y ago
If you have 5 years of experience as a Senior Back-end engineer you can get something between 2000€-4000€ net (after taxes) in the Bulgarian currency lev - BGN. The Lev is pegged to the Euro at 1.95BGN for 1€. In the capital where the tech jobs are located with that kind of salary you can afford anything you want.
- algo_trader 7y ago
  Can u mention the best/walkable/sociable neighbourhoods for a visiting developer in Sophia and/or Bansko?
- walshemj 7y ago
  And what salary would you get for Google in London? FYI as an experienced professional I have just been pitched a couple of civil service jobs in London grade 8 to Grade 7 at around 75k - and that would give me about 6.5 k That's the eqvielent of a full Colonel / GS15 if its the higher grade. And I bet a FANG in London pays way more than that as do train drivers
  - UserIsUnused 7y ago
    With with a much higher pay, London is still much more expensive.
  - blue_devil 7y ago
    FYI, and I kid you not, FANG in London pays 1/3-1/4 of the same job in Seattle (not even going to go into SV numbers). UK taxes are of course double, and rents similar, if not more expensive for London.
    - draw_down 7y ago
      Yeah, this dynamic has always shot down any idea of mine to live in the UK, or Western Europe. The salaries are crazy low. I don’t get it.
tbojanin 7y ago
My cousin is in his 20's, roughly makes 10,000/ month (~ $5600 USD). That salary is absolutely amazing. The article states the minimum monthly salary is $320 ( which a large amount of people make, given that Bulgaria lacks a middle class). The reason he stays in Bulgaria is because of that, he wanted to come join me in the US, but he didn't want to emigrate. edit: mrtksn's comment hits the nail on top of the head.
- kungito 7y ago
  I keep hearing about these famous salaries in Croatia as well but my impression is that most people get a starting monthly net salary of 1000€ after masters in CS or SDE. Then there's some people who interned during college which get salaries from 1200-2000€ after college depending on how much networking they did. Then there's like 1% of developers/scientists who make 2-5k€ by being able to somehow market them to some external big corps as specialists or consultants but most people including me do not know how to do this. Is your cousin doing remote work for some fancy company or is that by being a full time in a local company?
  - tbojanin 7y ago
    He is doing full time for a local company. Given that he is in his very late 20's (almost 30). He started around 1200Euro but built his way up to his current salary by jumping companies/roles every 2 years for a salary boost (similarly to how its done in the states).
  - senko 7y ago
    Salaries in the region can vary wildly. Your data for Croatian dev salaries is mostly accurate - junior hires will net up to €1k, if they have some exp (interns or good personal projects) that miight go to €1.5k. Actually €1.5k is median dev salary, with seniors fetching €k2 net and team leads maybe up to €2.5k. Note that this is all net monthly salary. Taxes, social, medical and pension contributions (all witheld by employer) add to roughly again that amount for these salary levels. Here's a recent survey (in Croatian but you'll be able to make sense of the charts and tables) with a lot more details (PDF): https://www.ictbusiness.info/media/infografika/developerske-place/Tomislav_Grubisic-Analiza_placa_developera_programera_2019.pdf https://www.ictbusiness.info/media/infografika/developerske-... Then there's freelance work, which exploded in recent years, partly due to a miscalculated tax break: if you're freelancer and register as a sole proprietor, you pay miniscule tax for up to €40k per year, handily beating most local companies' hiring budgets. This lead to massive uproar by said companies, and there's now quite heated debate around the minutia of it. There are primarily two reasons for the complaints: first is that remote companies (which often hire these freelancers on full-time basis) basically get 50% discount, and the second is that local companies started laying off people and "conntracting" them as "freelancers", which is illegal but the guidelines on how exactly that's determined are extremely vague. And that's just one country :)
kfk 7y ago
Up to net 4000-5000 from what I have heard. Rent is 300-400 eur in the city center. Dinner is 15 euros, lunch 5-8 euros. A decent apartment is 100-150k.
- spdionis 7y ago
  An important point here is that you probably can't get reasonable financing to buy said apartment. Mortgages in a similar country start from 6%.
  - UserIsUnused 7y ago
    Depends, if their banks have to follow the central euro bank rates or not, since they have their currency they might not have to, I don't know the specifics on how that works. Anyway, Central bank has interest at negatives, people are buying houses in EU with very little interest.
    - spdionis 7y ago
      Yeah, my comment is relevant only for non-euro countries.
- tomp 7y ago
  Wow, that's more than in Slovenia (as far as I know) (another former communist EU country, but officially far more developed) - net salary, I don't know how the tax rates and social contributions compare...

What are the tech salaries like in Bulgaria?

by moltar 7y ago

What are the tech salaries like in Bulgaria?

_hao 7y ago

If you have 5 years of experience as a Senior Back-end engineer you can get something between 2000€-4000€ net (after taxes) in the Bulgarian currency lev - BGN. The Lev is pegged to the Euro at 1.95BGN for 1€. In the capital where the tech jobs are located with that kind of salary you can afford anything you want.

algo_trader 7y ago
Can u mention the best/walkable/sociable neighbourhoods for a visiting developer in Sophia and/or Bansko?
walshemj 7y ago
And what salary would you get for Google in London? FYI as an experienced professional I have just been pitched a couple of civil service jobs in London grade 8 to Grade 7 at around 75k - and that would give me about 6.5 k That's the eqvielent of a full Colonel / GS15 if its the higher grade. And I bet a FANG in London pays way more than that as do train drivers
- UserIsUnused 7y ago
  With with a much higher pay, London is still much more expensive.
- blue_devil 7y ago
  FYI, and I kid you not, FANG in London pays 1/3-1/4 of the same job in Seattle (not even going to go into SV numbers). UK taxes are of course double, and rents similar, if not more expensive for London.
  - draw_down 7y ago
    Yeah, this dynamic has always shot down any idea of mine to live in the UK, or Western Europe. The salaries are crazy low. I don’t get it.

tbojanin 7y ago

My cousin is in his 20's, roughly makes 10,000/ month (~ $5600 USD). That salary is absolutely amazing. The article states the minimum monthly salary is $320 ( which a large amount of people make, given that Bulgaria lacks a middle class). The reason he stays in Bulgaria is because of that, he wanted to come join me in the US, but he didn't want to emigrate. edit: mrtksn's comment hits the nail on top of the head.

kungito 7y ago
I keep hearing about these famous salaries in Croatia as well but my impression is that most people get a starting monthly net salary of 1000€ after masters in CS or SDE. Then there's some people who interned during college which get salaries from 1200-2000€ after college depending on how much networking they did. Then there's like 1% of developers/scientists who make 2-5k€ by being able to somehow market them to some external big corps as specialists or consultants but most people including me do not know how to do this. Is your cousin doing remote work for some fancy company or is that by being a full time in a local company?
- tbojanin 7y ago
  He is doing full time for a local company. Given that he is in his very late 20's (almost 30). He started around 1200Euro but built his way up to his current salary by jumping companies/roles every 2 years for a salary boost (similarly to how its done in the states).
- senko 7y ago
  Salaries in the region can vary wildly. Your data for Croatian dev salaries is mostly accurate - junior hires will net up to €1k, if they have some exp (interns or good personal projects) that miight go to €1.5k. Actually €1.5k is median dev salary, with seniors fetching €k2 net and team leads maybe up to €2.5k. Note that this is all net monthly salary. Taxes, social, medical and pension contributions (all witheld by employer) add to roughly again that amount for these salary levels. Here's a recent survey (in Croatian but you'll be able to make sense of the charts and tables) with a lot more details (PDF): https://www.ictbusiness.info/media/infografika/developerske-place/Tomislav_Grubisic-Analiza_placa_developera_programera_2019.pdf https://www.ictbusiness.info/media/infografika/developerske-... Then there's freelance work, which exploded in recent years, partly due to a miscalculated tax break: if you're freelancer and register as a sole proprietor, you pay miniscule tax for up to €40k per year, handily beating most local companies' hiring budgets. This lead to massive uproar by said companies, and there's now quite heated debate around the minutia of it. There are primarily two reasons for the complaints: first is that remote companies (which often hire these freelancers on full-time basis) basically get 50% discount, and the second is that local companies started laying off people and "conntracting" them as "freelancers", which is illegal but the guidelines on how exactly that's determined are extremely vague. And that's just one country :)

kfk 7y ago

Up to net 4000-5000 from what I have heard. Rent is 300-400 eur in the city center. Dinner is 15 euros, lunch 5-8 euros. A decent apartment is 100-150k.

spdionis 7y ago
An important point here is that you probably can't get reasonable financing to buy said apartment. Mortgages in a similar country start from 6%.
- UserIsUnused 7y ago
  Depends, if their banks have to follow the central euro bank rates or not, since they have their currency they might not have to, I don't know the specifics on how that works. Anyway, Central bank has interest at negatives, people are buying houses in EU with very little interest.
  - spdionis 7y ago
    Yeah, my comment is relevant only for non-euro countries.
tomp 7y ago
Wow, that's more than in Slovenia (as far as I know) (another former communist EU country, but officially far more developed) - net salary, I don't know how the tax rates and social contributions compare...