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This is a well-observed phenomenon in the care-industry. After a patient is diagnosed with a disability there is a danger of overfitting other behavior to the d

by wrnr 7y ago

This is a well-observed phenomenon in the care-industry. After a patient is diagnosed with a disability there is a danger of overfitting other behavior to the disease profile. Its called a "second/third order disability" depending on whether it the patient themself or their environment that is making the claim. Take Greta Thunberg as an example. Her mother started claiming that her autism makes her more susceptible to the dangers of climate change. Her detractors are throwing this back at her, saying this little girl has autism which makes her susceptible to the global-warming lobby. Neither of these statements is any help to either side of the cause because they are an ad-hominem attack/defense. When I squint my eyes, a lot of this autism awareness looks like identity politics by other means. Another argument to be made in the everlasting master-slave dialectic.

SolaceQuantum 7y ago
I think you’re somewhat misinterpreting the post here, which as inwardly directed expression of the thought process of an individual while you discuss the external thought process and judgements onto an individual.
- whenchamenia 7y ago
  They are connected, as tfa is about changing your behavior due to sociatial expectation. As much as I try otherwise, I have to accept those pressures mould us with or without our consent and/or knowledge.
draw_down 7y ago
Yeah, I think you’ve really hit on something. There are some strains of thought here that seem not too great if you tease them out a bit. One is, there are behaviors that make me feel good, so I like doing them, so doing those behaviors is who I am, it’s my identity. I’d hope the author is aware that even “neurotypical” people don’t just get to do the behaviors that make them feel good all day. In a lot of ways, parties negotiating their behavior is the reason we can have a society. But also us humans are complex; our behaviors are gated and determined by tons of factors inside us and outside us. To the extent that the ideas of identity and authenticity are useful at all, surely they’re comprised of more than “it feels good when I flap my hands”.
pjc50 7y ago
> a lot of this autism awareness looks like identity politics by other means. Another argument to be made in the everlasting master-slave dialectic. I'm not really clear what you mean here? "Identity politics" is what arises when people are treated negatively because of what they appear to be; they then reclaim this identity that they are called and try to use it for collective action. I have no idea what "master-slave dialectic" has to do with any of this? There's no "slavery".
- vorpalhex 7y ago
  Identity politics is when someone's identity characteristics (gender, race, etc) are used to assign to them to a characteristic based group instead of an ideological one. Eg, "Irish Engineers Club" instead of "Socialist-Republic Engineers Club" (to use an entirely fictional example). The master-slave dialectic is when one posits two sides as having a master (dominant, in charge) side and a slave side (subordinate, no control over their own circumstances). Eg, a CEO and low-level workers.
  - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
    "Identity politics is when someone's identity characteristics (gender, race, etc) are used to assign to them to a characteristic based group instead of an ideological one. Eg, "Irish Engineers Club" instead of "Socialist-Republic Engineers Club" (to use an entirely fictional example)." I could see legitimate uses for this, though. For example, there are definitely medical, legal, and ethical concerns regarding identifying as a trans person. Such resources such as how to advocate for yourself to recieve appropriate medical treatment for gender dysphoria, what laws to pay attention to, what politicians and policy proposals are involved, where to purchase products, what to say to police, etc. are all very specific to being a trans person. I could totally imagine a trans-specific resource pool and community to discuss shared knowledge. A group as defined by identity affected by political changes. That might collectively advocate politically based on their identity. Eg. Medicare for all is great, but will medicare for all cover gender affirmation? Similar groups form for couples dealing with infertility and the legal, emotional, political issues with alternative ways of creating a family. Adoption is a massive process. IVF often isn't covered by insurance, or if it is, it's coverage is extremely limited. Surrogacy is also rife with problems legally. They, too, can form political movements based on their similar experiences.

by wrnr 7y ago

SolaceQuantum 7y ago

I think you’re somewhat misinterpreting the post here, which as inwardly directed expression of the thought process of an individual while you discuss the external thought process and judgements onto an individual.

whenchamenia 7y ago
They are connected, as tfa is about changing your behavior due to sociatial expectation. As much as I try otherwise, I have to accept those pressures mould us with or without our consent and/or knowledge.

draw_down 7y ago

Yeah, I think you’ve really hit on something. There are some strains of thought here that seem not too great if you tease them out a bit. One is, there are behaviors that make me feel good, so I like doing them, so doing those behaviors is who I am, it’s my identity. I’d hope the author is aware that even “neurotypical” people don’t just get to do the behaviors that make them feel good all day. In a lot of ways, parties negotiating their behavior is the reason we can have a society. But also us humans are complex; our behaviors are gated and determined by tons of factors inside us and outside us. To the extent that the ideas of identity and authenticity are useful at all, surely they’re comprised of more than “it feels good when I flap my hands”.

pjc50 7y ago

> a lot of this autism awareness looks like identity politics by other means. Another argument to be made in the everlasting master-slave dialectic. I'm not really clear what you mean here? "Identity politics" is what arises when people are treated negatively because of what they appear to be; they then reclaim this identity that they are called and try to use it for collective action. I have no idea what "master-slave dialectic" has to do with any of this? There's no "slavery".

vorpalhex 7y ago
Identity politics is when someone's identity characteristics (gender, race, etc) are used to assign to them to a characteristic based group instead of an ideological one. Eg, "Irish Engineers Club" instead of "Socialist-Republic Engineers Club" (to use an entirely fictional example). The master-slave dialectic is when one posits two sides as having a master (dominant, in charge) side and a slave side (subordinate, no control over their own circumstances). Eg, a CEO and low-level workers.
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago
  "Identity politics is when someone's identity characteristics (gender, race, etc) are used to assign to them to a characteristic based group instead of an ideological one. Eg, "Irish Engineers Club" instead of "Socialist-Republic Engineers Club" (to use an entirely fictional example)." I could see legitimate uses for this, though. For example, there are definitely medical, legal, and ethical concerns regarding identifying as a trans person. Such resources such as how to advocate for yourself to recieve appropriate medical treatment for gender dysphoria, what laws to pay attention to, what politicians and policy proposals are involved, where to purchase products, what to say to police, etc. are all very specific to being a trans person. I could totally imagine a trans-specific resource pool and community to discuss shared knowledge. A group as defined by identity affected by political changes. That might collectively advocate politically based on their identity. Eg. Medicare for all is great, but will medicare for all cover gender affirmation? Similar groups form for couples dealing with infertility and the legal, emotional, political issues with alternative ways of creating a family. Adoption is a massive process. IVF often isn't covered by insurance, or if it is, it's coverage is extremely limited. Surrogacy is also rife with problems legally. They, too, can form political movements based on their similar experiences.