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Finally, they were basically asking double price for some CPUs until there is a strong competition. This is a really good example why competition matters for th
by s5ma6n 7y ago
Finally, they were basically asking double price for some CPUs until there is a strong competition.
This is a really good example why competition matters for the consumers. I hope similar situation happens for GPUs too. Right now NVIDIA asks for way more than the cards' worth.
- seamyb88 7y ago>This is a really good example why competition matters for the consumers. Imagine how much quicker the fair pricing would be if there were standards and regulations, like what goes into every other aspect of its design.
- pjc50 7y agoI think this is a poor example for the pro-regulation argument; it's a more or less classical market where competition drives innovation, but the cost of entry is very high. The only applicable regulation I can think of might be "dual sourcing".
- another-one-off 7y agoI can't quite interpret what you are saying; so I'll say what I hope you are saying: If the x86 and x86_64 instruction sets became an open standard so that anyone could implement them; that would be great for consumers. If Intel is in a position to halve prices in the face of competition there are obviously not enough players in the market.
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- PixelOfDeath 7y agoEven if it may still take some years, I have really high hopes for chiplet GPUs.
- stochastic_monk 7y agoWould the GPU have its own RAM or simply share address space with a CPU?
- berbec 7y agoFor real 3D performance, it would need dedicated gddr. Regular ram won't cut it for a Gpu at the high end. If all they want is mid-tier, DDR4 would work.
- opencl 7y agoDDR4 isn't even adequate for mid-tier. NVIDIA's lowest end desktop GPU (GT1030) comes in DDR4 and GDDR5 variants and the DDR4 version has roughly half the performance.
- mschuetz 7y agoIt's own RAM. The memory bandwidth of my GPU (616 GB/s) is about 23 times higher than that of my system memory (26.5 GB/s). And I have applications that utilize 90% of that GPU memory bandwidth.
- stochastic_monk 7y agoThanks! I've written code for discrete GPUs but not integrated, and so I'm unsure what the advantages would be. Would there be lower latency for transfers, then, if not higher throughput?
- llampx 7y agoI believe chiplet gpu is meant to be two or three chiplets in one graphics card, not an apu design.
- Jonnax 7y agoI guess so but for a lot of buyers they're not even considering AMD. They're just using it as a stick to beat Intel with for a better deal.
- andrewstuart 7y agoThe real problem is that AMD doesn't invest enough in the software. Nvidia's Linux support absolutely puts AMD to shame. The biggest lesson in hardware is that "it's the software support, stupid". Too many hardware manufacturers think they are selling hardware alone. They are selling hardware AND the software that makes it work. A computer is useless without software support. Witness the vast array of essentially useless ARM devices out there because none of them have usable software drivers/Linux support.
- kelnage 7y agoI'm pretty sure neither manufacturer is really that worried about their Linux support. And, as far as my experience has gone with them both on Linux, they have both had their good years and their bad.
- BubRoss 7y agoThey are absolutely worried about Linux support. All high end computer graphics in large companies are done using Linux.
- zozbot234 7y agoNvidia's Linux support? AMD actually has open source drivers these days, just like Intel, Nvidia just gives you a binary module, which means in order to make use of that hardware you have to taint your kernel and aren't free to update it if the in-kernel ABI changes. It's basically on par with the vendors of all those "useless ARM devices out there", none of them with "usable Linux support".
- coldpie 7y agoAMD is finally approaching parity in the past year or two, but Nvidia is still ahead in terms of day-to-day usability. It sucks that they're closed, but if you just want to install a driver and have your system work, Nvidia is ahead. Look at this mess: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#AMD https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#AMD Do you want AMDGPU, AMDGPU PRO, ATI, or Catalyst? How do you choose? Let's assume you want open source and recent, so probably AMDGPU. OK that's relatively straightforward, but now let's say you want Vulkan support. That's over here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Vulkan#Installation https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Vulkan#Installation and golly wouldn't you know it there are three choices, vulkan-radeon, amdvlk, and vulkan-amdgpu-pro. How do those relate to the radeon and amdgpu drivers mentioned earlier? Arrrrrrrrrrgh. Meanwhile on nvidia, you install "nvidia" and you're done. I've been working in gaming on Linux profesionally for ten years. If I were buying a new GPU today, I would pick nvidia.