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I said the opposite, animals are _not_ able to give consent. If you misspoke I don't really know what to say, you think that it's possible for a cow to give a h

by sparrc 7y ago

I said the opposite, animals are _not_ able to give consent. If you misspoke I don't really know what to say, you think that it's possible for a cow to give a human consent to take their child and milk? And stop kidding yourself about this being about some sort of primal "survival instinct". We live in a modern and comfortable society where a Canadian can buy cheap tropical fruits in January.

remarkEon 7y ago
>We live in a modern and comfortable society A good way to ensure that we never survive if this changes is to insist that animals are required to give "consent", whatever that means.
- sparrc 7y ago
  Eating meat if your survival depends on it (not that that's ever likely to happen) is fully acceptable in the defintion of veganism. See https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism
geggam 7y ago
Just wanted to make sure you realized its not possible for animals to not consent or consent. So this idea you can decide for them means I can too. As a note : A large solar storm taking out the grid would show you how close we are to losing the comfortable society, or one of many other similar events. There isnt a city in this country that would be able to handle the loss of electricity for a week let alone a month.
- sparrc 7y ago
  If an entire city lost power then the first food to spoil would be the meat. I suppose you could hunt squirrels and other small city-dwelling animals but they're not likely to last very long if millions of people suddenly turned to that. What food doesn't require electricity to keep? Oats, wheat, beans, lentils, potatoes, rice, apples, pears, onions, etc. Notice a trend? It's all vegan food. Good luck :) So tell me again how exactly eating meat is preparing you for survival in the (SUPER LIKELY) event of a mass power-outage and food shortage? This is all a moot point anyways, because veganism is about not using animals "as far as is possible and practicable", so eating animals if your survival depends on it is actually fully acceptable in the definition on veganism (see https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism)
  - geggam 7y ago
    Rabbits, raise rabbits and feed them the vegan food :) Being in a city dooms most of the population in an event like this anyway. Combine the fact most city dwellers have never harvested food or cleaned an animal let alone takens its life. When all that vegan food runs out where do you think you are going to grow more ? Rabbits eat grass and other vegetation that grows in cities. Not to mention they populate fast enough you would likely not even starve to death before production ramped up :) Now...all that aside. Can we just agree to not tell each other what to eat ?
    - sparrc 7y ago
      > Can we just agree to not tell each other what to eat ? Yep, I said from the start that I don't have any burden to change what you do. I never made any argument against meat-eating, why are you so obsessed with trying to prove vegans wrong?

by sparrc 7y ago

remarkEon 7y ago

>We live in a modern and comfortable society A good way to ensure that we never survive if this changes is to insist that animals are required to give "consent", whatever that means.

sparrc 7y ago
Eating meat if your survival depends on it (not that that's ever likely to happen) is fully acceptable in the defintion of veganism. See https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

geggam 7y ago

Just wanted to make sure you realized its not possible for animals to not consent or consent. So this idea you can decide for them means I can too. As a note : A large solar storm taking out the grid would show you how close we are to losing the comfortable society, or one of many other similar events. There isnt a city in this country that would be able to handle the loss of electricity for a week let alone a month.

sparrc 7y ago
If an entire city lost power then the first food to spoil would be the meat. I suppose you could hunt squirrels and other small city-dwelling animals but they're not likely to last very long if millions of people suddenly turned to that. What food doesn't require electricity to keep? Oats, wheat, beans, lentils, potatoes, rice, apples, pears, onions, etc. Notice a trend? It's all vegan food. Good luck :) So tell me again how exactly eating meat is preparing you for survival in the (SUPER LIKELY) event of a mass power-outage and food shortage? This is all a moot point anyways, because veganism is about not using animals "as far as is possible and practicable", so eating animals if your survival depends on it is actually fully acceptable in the definition on veganism (see https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism)
- geggam 7y ago
  Rabbits, raise rabbits and feed them the vegan food :) Being in a city dooms most of the population in an event like this anyway. Combine the fact most city dwellers have never harvested food or cleaned an animal let alone takens its life. When all that vegan food runs out where do you think you are going to grow more ? Rabbits eat grass and other vegetation that grows in cities. Not to mention they populate fast enough you would likely not even starve to death before production ramped up :) Now...all that aside. Can we just agree to not tell each other what to eat ?
  - sparrc 7y ago
    > Can we just agree to not tell each other what to eat ? Yep, I said from the start that I don't have any burden to change what you do. I never made any argument against meat-eating, why are you so obsessed with trying to prove vegans wrong?