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So, asians are less likely to be leaders because of their race? African-Americans are more likely to be leaders because of their race?
by rohit2412 7y ago
So, asians are less likely to be leaders because of their race? African-Americans are more likely to be leaders because of their race?
- hos234 7y agoAsia hasn't produced a Kanye yet. They got work to do.
- krapp 7y agoG-Dragon, maybe?
- dwoozle 7y agoA grades and SAT admission model creates a class that is ~70% Asian. America’s future leadership class is categorically not 70% Asian.
- rohit2412 7y agoWhy not? If Asians are hardworking enough to occupy 70% of the top positions, why not?
- golemiprague 7y agoBecause leadership or success in life in general or creativity is not only about sitting at home and studying after school. It is one factor but there are multiple of other factors. The fact is that we don't see anything special from all those hard working Asians, that's the bottom line, they are good for some type of upper middle class maybe. The Asian success is a glitch in the high school system that awards hard work over talent, social skills and creativity, but Harvard is a bit smarter than that and they know nothing interesting will come out from someone who just ticked boxes and put extra 4 hours a day into studying and violin lessons.
- barry-cotter 7y agoBecause “leadership” in anything requiring a democracy requires people to vote for you or at least not actively work against you. This is far from impossible, America’s leadership class heavily overweights Yankees and Jewish people compared to their share of the population but change is always hard. It’s probably a lot harder if there’s a constant drum beat of race talk insisting that X-Americans have a completely different life experience from Y-Americans but it’s not like this is unprecedented. Anti-semitism was widespread across Europe before, during and after Jewish Emancipation and in every country where Hitler and the locals didn’t kill them Jews are over represented in the professional and leadership classes.
- richmunk567 7y agoThere are things other than hard work required for leadership in politics, business and even science. Those things appear to correspond with academic performance at different rates for different populations. https://www.unz.com/article/why-harvard-is-right-to-discriminate-against-asians/ https://www.unz.com/article/why-harvard-is-right-to-discrimi...
- habnds 7y agoNo but it might be possible that an African american with the same grades as an asian american is much more likely to be successful in the future because they got the same results from what is likely a much more difficult starting point. The context of someone's acheivements matters and race is part of that context.
- rohit2412 7y agoBut if it's starting position you're worried about, you'd be worried about class. You would give affirmative action based on economic status, not race. That I would agree with.
- yourbandsucks 7y agoAnd it would help their preferred races, too. But it wouldn't play nearly as well on HN or Twitter.
- Anechoic 7y agoYou would give affirmative action based on economic status, not race But race also matters in terms of starting position.
- rohit2412 7y agoYes, a lot in terms of cultural differences. So Asian-americans are being discriminated against because their parents make them study hard?
- sjg007 7y agoI guess in the end, like life, it's not about grades... sadly.
- simmanian 7y agoIsn't it interesting to see so many people being okay with Asians getting discriminated against? It's almost as if it's not institutional racism to funnel Asians to colleges that mass produce worker class people instead of leaders of tomorrow. People will almost directly say that Asians make poor leaders because all they care about is school grades, when in reality Asians are taught to work harder than their peers to overcome exactly that prejudice. Let's try evening out the playing field and see how many Asians flourish in all areas of life in America like they do in Asia. Asians need to organize like people of other races and take bigger pieces of the pie.
- JamesBarney 7y agoYou're misreading the statistics. If students are admitted in a race blind way then you get 16 times as many Asians as African Americans. He's just arguing they're not 16x more likely to be leaders than African Americans.
- richmunk567 7y agoYou are spot on. There appears to be a fair amount of evidence to support your observation: https://www.unz.com/article/why-harvard-is-right-to-discriminate-against-asians/ https://www.unz.com/article/why-harvard-is-right-to-discrimi...
- anonu 7y agoThis article is really interesting. I'm not quite sure what to make of it. it feels borderline bigoted, basing it's entire argument on some unmeasurable "return to the average". Also not sure why the parent user is posting it multiple times. Not cool...
- changchuming 7y ago7 day account. Not gonna say it's a troll but I'm suspicious.
- richmunk567 7y agoOn average, everyone returns to the average. This is about the _rate_ of cognitive development. And it's easy to measure with standard tests. Obviously there are a ton of accomplished Asians in America, its just more difficult to identify them in adolescence. There' nothing bigoted about that. Sorry for posting it a lot, its just relevant to what I wanted to say in my other comments.
- dang 7y agoWe've banned this account for using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. That is against the site guidelines and destroys the curiosity that this site exists for, regardless of what you're fighting for or against. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- hackinthebochs 7y agoSure. Power concentrates not by "merit" (narrowly construed as GPA/test scores), but through complex social and cultural factors, and race is obviously politically relevant. Existing institutions will favor a black Harvard graduate over an Asian graduate becoming a leader of some political institution. Asians as a whole outnumber blacks, but are far more politically and culturally diverse.
- richmunk567 7y agoAt the same level juvenile accomplishment, yes almost certainly: https://www.unz.com/article/why-harvard-is-right-to-discriminate-against-asians/ https://www.unz.com/article/why-harvard-is-right-to-discrimi...
- simmanian 7y agoIsn't it against the site policy to post blatant white supremacist content?
- richmunk567 7y agoUnz is Jewish.
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