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Time for unpopular facts: Harvard is more proximate to Europe. Conversely, the UC system favors Asian international students over all others. One could argue Ha
by killjoywashere 7y ago
Time for unpopular facts: Harvard is more proximate to Europe. Conversely, the UC system favors Asian international students over all others. One could argue Harvard is at least pro-US by comparison. Which is ironic considering they're a private institution, while the UC system is state-funded.
What's especially interesting to me is, based on Asian-American population demographics, those who feel most slighted by Harvard are probably on the West Coast.
- apengwin 7y agoRight. By admitting mainly legacies and the old-rich, Harvard is just doing its patriotic duty.
- tathougies 7y agoAccording to UC Berkeley (https://internationaloffice.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/student-stats2018.pdf https://internationaloffice.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files...), in 2018, they had 6569 international students enrolled out of a total of 42,519 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berk...). This means that 15% of the UC population was international. On the contrary, Harvard admits about 21% international students: https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/harvard-university/student-life/international/ https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/harvard-university/s.... By that metric, UC berkeley is way more pro-America than Harvard, because UC berkeley educates more Americans as a percentage of its class. You should probably attempt to cite facts when making statements.
- csboyer 7y agoToo lazy to break out the stats, but a fair comparison would be international undergrad and grad as opposed to the aggregate. Harvard is actually a large graduate school that happens to teach some undergrads. Berkeley's main purpose is undergrad education.
- fireattack 7y agoHe said UC system, your data is only for UCB. Not saying his opinion is not baseless or wrong, but your rebuttal is flawed as well.
- tathougies 7y agoYou're not wrong. The assumption was that UCB is broadly representative. Looking at the full system data: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/infocenter/fall-enrollment-glance https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/infocenter/fall-enrol... Given my own knowledge of the UC system, berkeley seems the most international, which is why I thought simply citing berkeley would be enough. But, point taken. Let's look into the system data. The total UC enrollment is 286271. Of this, there are 40219 Non-resident international students, which means there are 14% international students in the UC system as a whole. Thus, my using just berkeley actually shifted the data in my opponent's favor, since -- as I hypothesized -- Berkeley does indeed have more international students as a percentage of enrollment.
- fireattack 7y agoThanks for the data. Campus-wise, my anecdotal observation would be Irvine or Davis has most of international students by percentage, though.
- tathougies 7y agoPerhaps you're right. I haven't visited either in years! When I was there last, UC Irvine had the most ethnic Asian students, but they were mostly Americans. That may have changed.
- sagarm 7y agoAccording to the data gp linked, Irvine and Davis are 16% and 27% white. If you were assuming all non-whites at Irvine or Davis were not American, let this be a teachable moment.
- oarabbus_ 7y ago>Time for unpopular facts: Harvard is more proximate to Europe. Conversely, the UC system favors Asian international students over all others. One could argue Harvard is at least pro-US by comparison. How does favoring Europeans over Asians make it "pro-US"? Neither of those populations are American.
- travisoneill1 7y agoAlso UC doesn't favor Asians. It favors high test scores, as it should.
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- knolax 7y agoImagine having a mental model of US demographics so bad that you think all Asian-Americans live on the West coast.
- wolco 7y agoOr couldn't apply in the easteen us because it's too far.