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I don't get why a private University can't decide who it wants or doesn't want to attend its school regardless of the metrics it chooses. For instance, I don't

by zarro 7y ago

I don't get why a private University can't decide who it wants or doesn't want to attend its school regardless of the metrics it chooses. For instance, I don't think that matching a Universities demographics to the "national" or "global" demographics is likely to produce highest caliber candidates. What if Jewish and Asian candidates consistently outperform other candidates, why shouldn't a private school be allowed to accept more of the candidates it thinks "deserve" it more? If people don't like the policies of institutions that do this, or think they are ineffective, over time other institutions will outcompete/outperform them.

lozenge 7y ago
Because life sucked for black people in the 60s and they managed to change the law?
- zarro 7y ago
  I don’t see how that has anything to do with forcing a private institution into serving customers it doesn’t want to. The argument is: Imagine you and a friend have a private tutoring business. You should be able to have the freedom to pick whatever customers you want, your not a slave, your not obligated to provide a service for someone if you don't want to. Over time if there is demand for private tutoring that you and your friend aren't willing to meet, there will be others who will provide that service because there is profit in it.
  - nql 7y ago
    Why should that logic only apply to colleges and not businesses in general?
  - lozenge 7y ago
    Your laissez faire approach was tried and it didn't work. For example, the backlash from white customers and suppliers could be enough to make it "not worth it after all". Only when the law made private businesses treat all customers equally regardless of race, could outcomes begin to equalise. Just like we require certain minimum wages and environmental laws, disallowing racist behaviour in businesses is just something that the government can and should impose on commerce.
bdowling 7y ago
A private university that accepts federal funds is subject to Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.[0] Title VI seems to require the university to adhere to the same non-discrimination standards as a state university. That is why 5th and 14th Amendments, which usually apply only to state actions, are applicable here. That is also why the Supreme Court cases involving discrimination by state universities are relevant. [0] https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/regulatory/statutes/title-vi-civil-rights-act-of-1964 https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/regulatory/statutes/title... See also SFFA's complaint: https://studentsforfairadmissions.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/SFFA-v.-Harvard-Complaint.pdf https://studentsforfairadmissions.org/wp-content/uploads/201...

by zarro 7y ago

lozenge 7y ago

Because life sucked for black people in the 60s and they managed to change the law?

zarro 7y ago
I don’t see how that has anything to do with forcing a private institution into serving customers it doesn’t want to. The argument is: Imagine you and a friend have a private tutoring business. You should be able to have the freedom to pick whatever customers you want, your not a slave, your not obligated to provide a service for someone if you don't want to. Over time if there is demand for private tutoring that you and your friend aren't willing to meet, there will be others who will provide that service because there is profit in it.
- nql 7y ago
  Why should that logic only apply to colleges and not businesses in general?
- lozenge 7y ago
  Your laissez faire approach was tried and it didn't work. For example, the backlash from white customers and suppliers could be enough to make it "not worth it after all". Only when the law made private businesses treat all customers equally regardless of race, could outcomes begin to equalise. Just like we require certain minimum wages and environmental laws, disallowing racist behaviour in businesses is just something that the government can and should impose on commerce.

bdowling 7y ago

A private university that accepts federal funds is subject to Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.[0] Title VI seems to require the university to adhere to the same non-discrimination standards as a state university. That is why 5th and 14th Amendments, which usually apply only to state actions, are applicable here. That is also why the Supreme Court cases involving discrimination by state universities are relevant. [0] https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/regulatory/statutes/title-vi-civil-rights-act-of-1964 https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/regulatory/statutes/title... See also SFFA's complaint: https://studentsforfairadmissions.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/SFFA-v.-Harvard-Complaint.pdf https://studentsforfairadmissions.org/wp-content/uploads/201...