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It's perfect timing this gets brought up because with all this news about Xinjiang, HK, East Ukraine, etc. we need to make sure China, Russia and so on also let

It's perfect timing this gets brought up because with all this news about Xinjiang, HK, East Ukraine, etc. we need to make sure China, Russia and so on also let us examine their transparency and protocols so we can give a rigorous, thorough checkup for human rights abuses. This being all about fairness and truth and we need to make sure everyone else can be held accountable to the same standards. I look forward to a new muckrock feature where FOIA can be sent to Iran, China, and Russia to open up like USA and other European countries. Also since US journalists evangelize Snowden and Assange, I'm sure Russia/China/other countries targeting USA won't have any leakers themselves. Their people being so well treated and obedient, such great gentlemen, even if they feel flustered and out of place over there, no matter, they can just trust in the virtues of their system and everything will be just fine. :) /s

boomboomsubban 7y ago
So in your eyes, "probably better than China" is the optimum?
- jessaustin 7y ago
  If USA government employees are more accountable than China government employees, China wins!
  - no_opinions 7y ago
    I doubt US Department of Agriculture or Department of Education operate abroad or have human rights issues to FOIA, you can try. > If USA government employees are more accountable than China government employees, China wins! "Transparency and accountability in foreign policy/information gathering only applies to the country with a FOIA system conveniently available and uses english!"
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      ITT we're complaining about "overclassification" and other sins of USA's unsupervised services. (I hadn't been familiar with the atrocities in Indonesia linked by TFA...) We're not sure what you're on about. Do you mean that China and other nations have not respected human rights? We all agree. What else do you intend to say? Do you really think that "US journalists evangelize Snowden and Assange"? If that were the case, surely a name-brand media firm like WaPo, NYT, MSNBC, FoxNews, CNN, etc. would have published such evangelizing in the last several years, but they haven't. Some smaller firms do mention them, but I note that TFA doesn't. Why have you introduced this red herring?
- no_opinions 7y ago
  > So in your eyes, "probably better than China" is the optimum? Being "better", whatever that means, would still be at the bottom. It'd be difficult to do worse, assuming the Xinjiang / HK stuff.
nyolfen 7y ago
yes, and federal prosecutors should order hits on defense witnesses since the bad guys can do it

boomboomsubban 7y ago

So in your eyes, "probably better than China" is the optimum?

jessaustin 7y ago
If USA government employees are more accountable than China government employees, China wins!
- no_opinions 7y ago
  I doubt US Department of Agriculture or Department of Education operate abroad or have human rights issues to FOIA, you can try. > If USA government employees are more accountable than China government employees, China wins! "Transparency and accountability in foreign policy/information gathering only applies to the country with a FOIA system conveniently available and uses english!"
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    ITT we're complaining about "overclassification" and other sins of USA's unsupervised services. (I hadn't been familiar with the atrocities in Indonesia linked by TFA...) We're not sure what you're on about. Do you mean that China and other nations have not respected human rights? We all agree. What else do you intend to say? Do you really think that "US journalists evangelize Snowden and Assange"? If that were the case, surely a name-brand media firm like WaPo, NYT, MSNBC, FoxNews, CNN, etc. would have published such evangelizing in the last several years, but they haven't. Some smaller firms do mention them, but I note that TFA doesn't. Why have you introduced this red herring?
no_opinions 7y ago
> So in your eyes, "probably better than China" is the optimum? Being "better", whatever that means, would still be at the bottom. It'd be difficult to do worse, assuming the Xinjiang / HK stuff.

nyolfen 7y ago

yes, and federal prosecutors should order hits on defense witnesses since the bad guys can do it