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To me the obvious thing is to aim to eliminate racial/national/gender bias as much as possible by blinding admission/hiring processes to those things. Then on
by gameswithgo 7y ago
To me the obvious thing is to aim to eliminate racial/national/gender bias as much as possible by blinding admission/hiring processes to those things. Then on top of that offer spots for people who have had to deal with exceptional difficulty. Whether that be physical handicap, racial prejudice, economic, etc. There are companies/grants that take an approach like this. Its going to be subjective but perfect is the enemy of good. Then let the percentages land where they may. Having quotas or racial/gender preferences is crazy.
- filoleg 7y agoOut of curiosity, why not just lump most of it under "socioeconomic disadvantages" category (mostly based on the family's financial situation)? E.g., poor asian kids shouldn't be grouped with the less poor asian kids and shouldn't have been at a disadvantage compared to a rich african american kid for admission purposes. This proposed approach sounds so obvious, I feel like there has gotta be some caveat in it that I am missing. Is it easily gameable or something?
- Ancalagon 7y agoI think this is the ultimate solution. Of course people will still try to game this system by e.g. sending their kids to high school in poorer districts.
- ravar 7y agoArguably if people try to game the system in that way it would be socially good. Don't we want the privileged people going to the same schools as poorer people?
- sushid 7y agoBecause it’s zero sum? The rich kid pretending to be poor is taking away a seat from an actual poor kid.
- kelnos 7y agoIsn't that easy to detect, though? The FAFSA (among other things?) requires disclosing family income (and assets?). The university gets to see all this stuff (well, the FAFSA applicant lists schools that get to see it). If they see "family makes $300k/yr and has $2M in assets" and "kid goes to a poor high school not in his/her normal district", they can say "hah, nice try", and toss their application in the bin.
- sjg007 7y agoYes it is gamed.. a lot of rich kids "emancipate" from their parents to qualify for financial aid for example and probably preferred admissions.
- mlevental 7y agoI love this thing that happens where someone jumps in to make an incisive point based on something they learned just recently and even on this same forum. the article about emancipation was posted here just like 2 weeks ago. so that's how certain you should be about that fact. and yet here you are proclaiming it as if you yourself have done the research and know exactly how prevalent emancipation is.
- sjg007 7y agoMaybe you missed it but there’s a well researched and detailed Vice news article on it.
- shard972 7y agoWhat do you think about the studies such as the one done by the Australian government that shows blind studies still end up discriminating against racial demographics?
- repolfx 7y agoHow do you blind an admissions process to race, and then offer spots for people who have suffered racial prejudice? That sounds like a contradiction.